Nursing Home V Care Home

[Tilly2]

I have googled this but have not come up with a satisfactory answer. What is the difference between a nursing home and a care home? Does anyone have any experience of moving a relative from a care home to a nursing home.

I know nursing homes have nurses on hand but is the level of care better. I am in such a quandary as to what my Dad's best interests are.

[Psybbo]

Tilly, just want to wish you well, looming up for me too xx

[Tilly2]

Pixie, I am surprised at that. I have seen people regularly and often being hoisted from chairs, in the lounge, at Dad's care home. It seems to be an everyday occurrence.

[Tilly2]

Thanks, sibs. Best wishes to you. It's not a pleasant experience.

[pixie373]

Tilly, I did the assessments for our home. 32 nursing, 16 part 3, 16 EMI and 12 extra care. We wouldn't put anybody without mobility on EMI or residential- always nursing. So you might find a care home won't take him anyway. Be very wary if they do.

[Tilly2]

Pixie, what is EMI, please?

[Tilly2]

Pixie he's already in a care home and has been for ten years. Now he is at 'end of life stage' and is constantly in and out of hospital. I just want him to have a peaceful end.

[campbellking]

Often depends on how much the home wants to keep the resident as to whether they are prepared to hoist them. Residential homes will rarely take someone who needs hoisting from the outset, but may choose to keep a resident who goes on to need hoisting at a later stage if they don't have other great care needs.

[EDDIE51]

^^ You must have 2 trained carers to do a hoist of any kind so some homes do not have the number of staff needed.

[pixie373]

EMI is dementia care. If he is already there, they are likely to let him stay. Sorry, I thought you were looking at somewhere new.

[pixie373]

Yes- exactly as campbellking says.

[TonyV]

I have been in this position Tilly2, not for a relative but a couple, who my partner had known for over 30 years, they treated her as the child they never had, doing their washing and house cleaning before it became to much for her - visiting 3 times daily to care for them.
Anyway we visited the care home and evaluated it ourselves before they were placed there.

[woofgang]

elderly mentally infirm Tilly. Pixie, i have got a friend who is part owner of a very good rest, not nursing, home and they will hoist their residents. They all take the training and do the refreshers and will request community assessment if needed. If people are at home then paid carers or relatives will hoist them, its not of itself a nursing intervention.

[Tilly2]

My Dad does not have dementia. He is of sound mind which, in some way, makes it much worse.

[pixie373]

I know, woof, I meant about him being assessed for a new home. He would not be assessed as suitable for residential.

[EDDIE51]

One of the care homes I worked in had a situation like your Dads. They got a nurse to visit every day and hired a temporary extra staff member so that he could stay with us. Not sure who picked up the bill but it would have been a lot less than moving to an 'intensive care' home. A lot less confusion and worry for the patient as well!

[Tilly2]

I might suggest that to his current home Pixie. I don't want to move him but I don't want him to have to keep being taken into A&E and AAU and then a medical ward, on a regular basis.

I wish they would just let him go.

[TonyV]

But Tilly from my experience good ones form a community atmosphere

[Tilly2]

Sorry....Eddie.

[pixie373]

You can try tilly. And good luck- they may not readmit him, due to mobility -even if that was before he went in. But it's worth asking. If it increases their dependency levels enough- they might be allowed another member of staff temporarily. Worth asking x

[bednobs]

am i right in thinking there are section 117 issues? I seem to recall something tilly.