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Words from the cross by Christ. Can I add a tilt to them. They are supposed to be a fulfillment of the OT, but what if, when Christ uttered them from the cross, that they were more than that and utterly true, i.e. God the Father had momentarily forsaken his son ? Imagine for a moment that Christ in hanging there did indeed take all the badness of all time on his shoulders ? Can you imagine a pain any worse and a love any higher ? Just a thought, but by heck it sticks with me.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Blinky, this is really on you mind isn't it. I'm still following this thread as it is really interesting.
However, there comes a time for the searching to cease and to make a decision. Therefore, I'm going to submit this hymn. Read it carefully and digest.
Rock of ages, cleft for me
let me hide myself in thee.
Let the water and the blood
from the wounded side which flowed
be of sin the double cure;
save from wrath and make me pure
not the labour from my hand
can fullfull thy laws demands
could my zeal no respite know
could my tears forever flow
all for sin could not atone
thou must save and thou alone
nothing in my hand I bring
simply to the cross I cling
naked, come to thee for dress,
Helpless look for thee for grace
Fould I to the fountain fly
wash me saviour or I die
While I draw this fleeting breath
When mine eyes shall close in death
When I soar to worlds unknown
see thee on thy judgement throne
Rock of Ages Cleft for me
Let me hide myself in thee.
My 2p worth . . . The Bible tells us that God cannot live with sin or tolerate sin/evil in any way. It means that although He loves his creation (ie. man), he doesn't like some of the things he does. This means (1) God doesn't create the evil in this world. It comes from a devil that causes it & (2) when Jesus took the sin of the world, by default, His father had to 'forsake' Him as He was the carrier of sin. In fact, that further explains why up until that time, Jesus referred to Him as His father but in that particular context referred to Him as God instead.
blinkyblinky: Science, reason, truth, they have no independent value, meaning, purpose; it�s all about you, and me, and everyone else who sees its value, meaning, purpose. It is a personal thing which each of us must discover for and reveal to ourselves first. If you don�t have it you can�t share it and if you just try to still it, its value eludes you. It�s an individual thing that belongs only to those among us who have taken the time and gone to the trouble to earn it. And we share it by relating it to each others own individual experience; mutual understanding!
It all comes down to understanding what we are, how we live and our relationship to the world out there that makes it all possible. We create our own selves by paying the price for our own understanding, by thinking! To be human is to realize our potential for self-understanding. We are born only with the potential; becoming what we can be is the how and the why. When you achieve this for yourself you will understand what it means to say, "To hell with heaven!"