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Abortion Referendum- Republic Of Ireland
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Today is the day of the referendum on the Republic of Ireland's abortion laws.
The vote will decide whether to repeal a part of the constitution, known as the Eighth Amendment, which effectively bans non-essential terminations in the country.
Polls opened at 07:00 local time and votes can be cast until 22:00 tonight (Friday).
I wonder how the Irish will vote?
The vote will decide whether to repeal a part of the constitution, known as the Eighth Amendment, which effectively bans non-essential terminations in the country.
Polls opened at 07:00 local time and votes can be cast until 22:00 tonight (Friday).
I wonder how the Irish will vote?
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yes, here's the Irish Times story
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None of my business really, as I'm not Irish, but I'm pleased for Irish women.
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None of my business really, as I'm not Irish, but I'm pleased for Irish women.
I hope that's so, Ducksie....be an interesting day tomorrow...x
Thanks for the link, Jnl....there's poor Fidelma.....not enough about her to be open about her view until today....she thought NO voters would be thought to be backward and a don't count.
They are backward and shouldn't count in this.
She's upset that there is even a vote on this. Not as upset as a thirteen year old raped by a cousin and made to continue with the pregnancy.
I do hope there's an after life and Bertie Ahern's mum is looking down on this......and that she sees a YES vote....I'd hate her to miss that.
Could be said I feel strongly about this..... :-)
Thanks for the link, Jnl....there's poor Fidelma.....not enough about her to be open about her view until today....she thought NO voters would be thought to be backward and a don't count.
They are backward and shouldn't count in this.
She's upset that there is even a vote on this. Not as upset as a thirteen year old raped by a cousin and made to continue with the pregnancy.
I do hope there's an after life and Bertie Ahern's mum is looking down on this......and that she sees a YES vote....I'd hate her to miss that.
Could be said I feel strongly about this..... :-)
NO campaigners littered Ben Bulben mountain in Sligo by erecting NO in 160ft plastic letters as a cry from the mountain for Ireland's babies....numpty...
The man who organised it was quite proud that men of all ages helped to make the mountain look ridiculous.....and, he said, even women helped too....they made the tea and sandwiches..... don't know whether to laugh or cry..... but I know where I'd have put his sandwich....he'd need Islay to remove it..... ;-)
The man who organised it was quite proud that men of all ages helped to make the mountain look ridiculous.....and, he said, even women helped too....they made the tea and sandwiches..... don't know whether to laugh or cry..... but I know where I'd have put his sandwich....he'd need Islay to remove it..... ;-)
(Hazi - apologies for going off topic, but I wanted to comment on an interesting post. No intention, by the way, to pursue my point on your thread, although I might want to speak to Jim again when a Brexit thread pops up.)
Jim: "As and when the UK works out what referendums are for, we'll get around to making the rules for how to implement them. So far the UK has only held referendums to try and kill an issue, rather than to actually resolve it."
Well observed, Jim. But, notwithstanding the difficulties in the "how?", there was a moral obligation in the "what for" of this particular referendum, wasn't there?
The referendum was held because Cameron understood (from the UKIP vote) that the electorate was far more divided on EU membership than its representatives. Hence - and I paraphrase - "on this issue you the people will decide, and we the Government will implement that decision".
Was and is that issue deeply divisive? Of course. Can we do one thing or the other without sipping off a sizeable number of our fellow citizens? No. But this is, or ought to be, the thing about an exceptional recourse to plebiscite (not a thing this poster supports as a normal instrument of democracy by the way) that both "winners" and "losers" should take pride in. The last time irreconcilable philosophies clashed (is that what we're supposed to call a "binary" option these days?) was the (very similar, in my view) issue of national sovereignty: is it derived by divine appointment, or by electoral mandate? That conflict was resolved not by referendum. It was resolved by civil war.
I never thought much of those Brexiteers who crowed over their (yet to be realised and still uncertain ) victory, nor of the Remainers who set about frustrating it. I approve the principle "be magnanimous in victory and gracious in defeat" and would have accepted a Remain result, albeit with a lot of sadness and a lot of bitterness.
(Apologies again for the rant, Hazi.)
Jim: "As and when the UK works out what referendums are for, we'll get around to making the rules for how to implement them. So far the UK has only held referendums to try and kill an issue, rather than to actually resolve it."
Well observed, Jim. But, notwithstanding the difficulties in the "how?", there was a moral obligation in the "what for" of this particular referendum, wasn't there?
The referendum was held because Cameron understood (from the UKIP vote) that the electorate was far more divided on EU membership than its representatives. Hence - and I paraphrase - "on this issue you the people will decide, and we the Government will implement that decision".
Was and is that issue deeply divisive? Of course. Can we do one thing or the other without sipping off a sizeable number of our fellow citizens? No. But this is, or ought to be, the thing about an exceptional recourse to plebiscite (not a thing this poster supports as a normal instrument of democracy by the way) that both "winners" and "losers" should take pride in. The last time irreconcilable philosophies clashed (is that what we're supposed to call a "binary" option these days?) was the (very similar, in my view) issue of national sovereignty: is it derived by divine appointment, or by electoral mandate? That conflict was resolved not by referendum. It was resolved by civil war.
I never thought much of those Brexiteers who crowed over their (yet to be realised and still uncertain ) victory, nor of the Remainers who set about frustrating it. I approve the principle "be magnanimous in victory and gracious in defeat" and would have accepted a Remain result, albeit with a lot of sadness and a lot of bitterness.
(Apologies again for the rant, Hazi.)
That'd annoy him for sure, Islay......almost as much as now knowing that Mother Nature took a hand and sent the wind to scatter the letters all over the mountain.....despite having a Garda on duty to protect it.....
With the way many Irish folk feel about litter and plastic this made some of those still undecided to choose to vote YES..... :-))
With the way many Irish folk feel about litter and plastic this made some of those still undecided to choose to vote YES..... :-))
It appears that the Save the 8th campaigners have conceded defeat.
They are whining about the personal toll campaigning has taken on them.....I could give them more than a few names of people for whom the law they tried to save took much more than a personal toll....
They intend to have a second wind though to oppose any abortion clinic trying to open in Ireland.....I hope they're dealt with strongly if they start abusing women again by protesting outside clinics....x
They are whining about the personal toll campaigning has taken on them.....I could give them more than a few names of people for whom the law they tried to save took much more than a personal toll....
They intend to have a second wind though to oppose any abortion clinic trying to open in Ireland.....I hope they're dealt with strongly if they start abusing women again by protesting outside clinics....x
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