Does Anyone Agree With This Scenario?

[margarettom]

The latest idea being pushed in the media is for a four week lockdown finishing in early December, so we can all enjoy Christmas. This assumes we’re all obsessed with Christmas and there aren’t any lonely people at Christmas already whips patently not the case.
To me this will lead to the following scenario. Once lockdown ends people will rush out in large numbers to do ‘Christmas shopping’. Remember this happens every year, despite the internet. We will then have people meeting up for Christmas drinks and Christmas meals out.
For the main Christmas period people will travel all over the country to have a family Christmas. This will involve multi-generational groups all mixing together indoors. Once the Christmas period is over, there will be large numbers of the elderly being hospitalised with Covid, with quite a few deaths. So instead of one miserable Christmas and a good few subsequent enjoyable ones, this Christmas will be their last.

[Sqad]

Quite correct......yes I do agree with your likely scenario.....indeed I would bet on it.

[bobbinwales]

So should we stay lockdowned for christmas instead- or aswell as or not at all. Theres no easy way through it. There is lots of research done by ONS (a think ?)on peopels attitudes and complience to diffrent rules and lot's of research by scientists on what impact different measures will have so am happy to let our individual goverments way up the advice and decide whats best

[douglas9401]

The very definition of insanity, repeating previous actions and expecting a different outcome.

Our experts are busking it, taking money under false pretences.

[AuntPollyGrey]

Yes I totally agree. Christmas is just a day and historically people have had to deal with a lot worst thing at Christmas than just staying indoors. they could, however, relax the rule of 6 for Christmas Day and say up to 12, just for that day. That should cover people who to relatives' homes for their Christmas dinner, but prevent ridiculously large house parties.

[margarettom]

The question is how are the elderly catching Covid?
Some cases may well be hospital acquired, but I am convinced that the main cause is older people mixing with younger members of the family in an indoor setting- hence the rules in place in the higher tiers which prevents this.

[AuntPollyGrey]

The elderly are catching covid probably at the same rate as younger people. Some people have caught it and hardly known they have had it so perhaps have not even gone to be tested. Older people catch flu more often, and die more often from it. Young people are not blamed for this are they?

[teacake44]

You only have to look at the stupidity and the performance of late night drinkers in Nottingham last week before the pubs were closed, and the same happened in Liverpool and London previously to understand we have little chance of controlling infection rates. For a government that also appears to be focusing on this one day is crazy and scary. If it was left to me I would close every pub down now, and let them go to the wall for good to save other businesses. Get rid of the pubs and you would get rid of most of the other problems we have in this country. :0) stuff Xmas day and the idiots that go with it.

[AuntPollyGrey]

// stuff Xmas day and the idiots that go with it.//

oh dear...........Tell the Christian Church that one dear lol!

[Apc2604]

I agree Margaret.

I think the lockdown should include Christmas, with a few concessions for the two day holiday period e.g elderly relatives who live alone can visit, or be visited.
Christmas is not special for everybody. Besides that Christmas day can be enjoyed without frantic shopping trips and overspending. Christmas over the years has lost true meaning anyway. Perhaps a different sort of Christmas might make people happier and less stressed. Also a lot of us will be hard up this year. And it's going to be such a hard time for those who have lost loved ones.

For the majority there will be other Christmases.





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[teacake44]

I wouldn't have a problem with that either! ^^

[Barsel]

Margaret //main cause is older people mixing with younger members of the family in an indoor setting- hence the rules in place in the higher tiers which prevents this.//
This doesn't apply if you are in a bubble. I had to choose between 2 daughters and I chose the one that I felt was less likely to get the virus, and if I could just spend some of Christmas day with her and her family, then I would be quite happy to do that.It is a chance I'm willing to take, because if this turns out to be my last Christmas, I wouldn't want it to be one I spent on my own.

[teacake44]

^ to APG

[retrocop]

//stuff Xmas day and the idiots that go with it. //

I didn't realise A Christmas Carol was a true story with real people in it. :-)

[Apc2604]

Whoops. The space and the k are unintentional.

In many ways I agree with Tea Cake, but not the idiot statement!

[margarettom]

I’m not blaming younger people APG. They are out there working and keeping the country running and my grateful thanks to them. I’m just saying that it seems to be, when the generations mix in their homes that the problem arises, so large family Christmas gatherings may have a sad outcome.

[10ClarionSt]

As I've said before on here, I'm convinced that we are all walking around with this virus inside us. That's why the figures are increasing. Everone's got it. The vast majority of normal, healthy people will recover from it. If you have one, or a combination of, heart disease, type 1 diabetes or dementia, you are the most vulnerable, as those conditions account for 95% of all deaths, according to a PHE spokesman on BBC News. Lockdown, any lockdown, will not stop the spread. It's here folks. And it's here to stay. We're going to have to live with it. The sooner that becomes clear to Bojo the Clown, the sooner we will all be back to normal.

[woofgang]

I think the media should stick to posting proven fact and stop scaremongering

[teacake44]

Carry on fooling yourself Woof, if you think their doing that.

[Apc2604]

Woofie, The media, in my opinion, have made this whole situation unbearable. Oh for the days when the media mainly reported facts and didn't continuously post their own views. I am not interested in what their opinions are.

[Bobbisox1]

Boris is holding a press conference today

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-national-lockdown-live-updates-19197915#2290170