The Usa Moves Back Into The Dark Ages

[pastafreak]

As another state may remove women's abortion rights...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/us/oklahoma-ban-abortions.html

[ToraToraTora]

what do you mean "back"?

[Buenchico]

Like TTT, it seems, I've never been aware of the USA ever having left the dark ages. I've long regarded it as one of the most backward countries on the planet.

[DTCwordfan]

Trump versus the Duchess of Sossex, the mind boggles as in the end of democracy as we know it, never mind the right carry or not. What the eff do they both know about it and miscarriage at large?

[andy-hughes]

People with power often find that part of exercising that power is giving other people less power over their lives.

When power belongs to men, as it more often than not does, then it's easy for them to enjoy domination over women and their rightful choices in life.

My position on abortion has been stated many many times on here in the last twenty-one years and counting, and remains unwavering -

The final choice to carry a pregnancy to term or not is the choice of the mother, and no-one else.

Interference by anyone else is immoral, and that immorality increases on an upwards scale - the further away the connection of the inteferer from the woman, the more immoral their influence is.

If you are the father, or a close family member, then your views should be considered, leaving the final choice to the woman concerned.

If you are a state legislator, you have no business whatsoever in playing God with complete strangers just because the state gives you the power to do so.

The giving, and exercise of such power, are a deep stain on modern society.

[pixie374]

Financually, they are going to end up owing millions in compensation, for injuries, deaths, PND, loss of earnings, foster care, childcare, sexual discrimination... for all these women forced to have unwanted children.
I can't see any reason for moral controversy, before viability- while it is literally still a part of the mother.

[pixie374]

Andy, //If you are the father, or a close family member, then your views should be considered//

By whom? Surely a pregnant woman can speak to and take opinions or advice from whoever she chooses?

[DTCwordfan]

I would hope that the vast majority of ABers are in favour of a woman determining her right to abort - or are ABers so Catholic or extreme in their natal logic?..

In thinking that this a non-issue to the UK but one that we ought to register our disgust as to what is going on in certain states across the Pond....but then this may be pushing idealistic fantasy on here.

[Deskdiary]

I read the F…It List by John Niven a couple of years ago, and one of themes was the overturning of Roe v Wade, and as I was reading it I thought that a society overruling what a woman chooses to do to her body could never happen.

Looks like I may have been wrong.

Utter madness.

[DTCwordfan]

I'll accept that it's always been controversial since it came to the Supreme Court in 1973....

[pixie374]

Just out of interest- when it comes to medical bills/ insurance, in the US... does childbirth and all the medical, physical related issues, get charged to both parents? How does it work?

[DTCwordfan]

to the principal account holder who makes the claim, pixie.....

[jno]

as others have observed, these laws won't stop abortions, they'll just stop safe abortions. The possibility that women may suffer and even die is merely appropriate punishment for getting pregnant in the first place.

[pixie374]

Thanks, dt x and if uninsured?

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // Andy, //If you are the father, or a close family member, then your views should be considered//

By whom? Surely a pregnant woman can speak to and take opinions or advice from whoever she chooses? //

Apologies if I was not clear - the views of the father or close family members should ideally be considered by the mother.

The views of complete strangers, such as state officials, should not be considered.

And of course she can speak to, and take opinions from whomever she chooses.

And to underline my point, the final decision regarding termination or not, should be hers, and and hers alone.

[DTCwordfan]

then you have to ride the system, the failing of the US and it doesn't even approach what we, the French, the Belgians and the Dutch offer in terms of support... I can't speak for the others ...

[pixie374]

Thanks dt- I was only trying to see their views really. In the UK, any embryo or foetus is regarded as belonging solely to the mother, in terms of rights, risks, responsibilities... until the second it is born. I just wondered how different they were.

[pixie374]

Andy, "ideally" or not. Depending :-)

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // Andy, "ideally" or not. Depending :-) //

Of course - every single situation is unique, and I would not for one moment suggest a 'one size fits all' system - that's what the abortionists think is right.

[david small]

I agree with andy-hughes. Succinctly put.

[FatticusInch]

Isn’t it funny how the USA and Afghanistan could not be more diametrically opposed in pretty much every facet of life and social circumstances yet the common denominator religion ensures both remain inextricably linked and comparable to the dark ages in relation to womens rights?
A pox on both their houses.