The Usa Moves Back Into The Dark Ages

[pastafreak]

As another state may remove women's abortion rights...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/us/oklahoma-ban-abortions.html

[ynnafymmi]

Its high time that that nationalist Trump was removed from the presidents job.Uh-oh,wait a minute,Trump isnt president anymore.Why dont you contact old Rip van Winkle Biden instead,pasta?

[youngmafbog]

I'm completely with AH. Nothing more to add.

[Peter Pedant]

It is so simple when you dont have power, innit?

Hey Andy, all laws are about X group saying Y group cant do Z, - oh and X shouldnt do Z either ( Boris please note whilst you slurp the xampagne)

so that settle what law is for and who does it

Abortion strikes me as obviously the woman's choice
BUT
we arent American - they believe would you believe that the Constitution ( 1789 ) is immutable and as it doesnt mention abortion - - yes incredz ( originalists - or crayzies)

No one here - says "o heavens the 1791 Libel act can never be changed": the idea doesnt even enter our minds

( In the context of United States law, originalism is a concept regarding the interpretation of the Constitution that asserts that all statements in the constitution must be interpreted based on the original understanding "at the time it was adopted".)

[Peter Pedant]

I'm completely with AH. Nothing more to add.
he hasnt even started

( that was said to me in an oral exam you know: I failed. The patient who was also a doctor turned over and buried her face in a pillow and started laughing. 1976)

[naomi24]

//If you are the father, or a close family member, then your views should be considered//

Why? To give them the opportunity to encourage a pregnant woman to do something she really doesn't want to do and to potentially influence her decision? No. Some women are manipulated enough by those around them and in this they must be allowed a free choice about what happens to their bodies - and to the rest of their lives.

[youngmafbog]

Hear hear Naomi.

[andres]

It might be because the population numbers are dropping. More abortions and a lower birth rate mean fewer young people to work and pay taxes etc.in order to keep the country functioning in the future.

[naomi24]

Stopping legal abortion doesn't stop abortion. It just makes it more dangerous.

[SparklyKid]

Agree with AH and Naomi. Men should have no say in the matter. Or the woman's family.

[naomi24]

Sparkly, AH thinks that the views of fathers and close family members should be considered.

[Patsy33]

I think fatticusInch @ 00.21 is spot on.

[SparklyKid]

The choice belongs purely to the expectant mother. Hi Naomi, now, back to cribbage.

[naomi24]

I still play too, sparkly. :o)

[sandyRoe]

There's a right-wing, racist, theory that the majority of women who have abortions are white.
People who believe this fear whites will soon become a minority in a land where Latinos and Blacks hold sway.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - //
//If you are the father, or a close family member, then your views should be considered//

Why? To give them the opportunity to encourage a pregnant woman to do something she really doesn't want to do and to potentially influence her decision? No. Some women are manipulated enough by those around them and in this they must be allowed a free choice about what happens to their bodies - and to the rest of their lives. //

Why the assumption that anyone else involved will automatically want to persuade the woman to go against her own wishes?

I have said many times, and repeated on this thread, that my view is that the woman concerned, and only she has the right to decide the final outcome.

But that does not mean that she has to make that decision entirely on her own, potentially without the support of people close to her who love her and want the best for her.

I have pointed that out, if you re-read my posts, instead of jumping to erroneous conclusions, it stops me cluttering up the thread putting you straight, because you prefer to think badly of me, than take the time to read and understand what i actually think.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Sparkly, AH thinks that the views of fathers and close family members should be considered. //

Considered is not the same as agreed with.

You could work that out if you stopped to think before assuming that I am saying something different than I have said for the last twenty-one years.

Each case is individual - some women may benefit from discussion with people close to them, some not.

That does not change the fact that the woman has the final say - even though you are trying to twist what have said to appear different to that view.

[douglas9401]

Their Cadillac has got a wheel in the ditch and a wheel on the track.

[Peter Pedant]

father's have a say....

as Queen Victoria said - "we are having the baby, we will have the chloroform" - accouchement a la reine (sozza readers, French today)

( some at Court said that chloroform was against the Bible - "you will bring forther children in pain")

I can imagine a few Dads saying you cant have an abortion and oh by the way I am not contributing to the childs upkeep either

[William51]

It is meant to be a world superpower but this proves how wild and backward some of it is.