Another Mp Scared To Death.

[royfromaus]

https://news.sky.com/story/labours-angela-rayner-no-longer-goes-out-because-of-threats-and-was-scared-by-protest-confrontation-13062124?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

 

[andy-hughes]

Is there a question to go with the link?

[ToraToraTora]

No one deserves that sort of thing in public life but I think she must take some responsibility.

She made her bed with all the agressive name calliing, shazza routine etc, innevitably that's going to put a target on your back. Vile woman.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - You can't have it both ways.

Either Ms Rayner does deserve the grief she gets, or she doesn't. 

I cannot believe that anyone seriously thinks that anyone is in any way responsible for calling down hostility on themselves.

That's an appalling position, and you should be ashamed to offer it.

[ToraToraTora]

10:29, I'm not trying to have it both ways. No one deserves that but I can understand why it is hapenning. That's a valid position, ok?

[webbo3]

But its ok for Labour to give abuse.

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[ToraToraTora]

AH: "I cannot believe that anyone seriously thinks that anyone is in any way responsible for calling down hostility on themselves." - well that's about as idiotic a statement as I have heard this year. You were having a go at Katie Hopkins the other day, no doubt brought on by things she has said or done.

[naomi24]

In fairness TTT did say no one deserves it but we can't deny that aggression often invites aggression - and she's done her share.  

[tomus42]

Horrible thing to say tora. Reminds me of those ****s that say, well I hate violence and no-one deserves death threats, but when they insult the prophet they bring it on themselves.

[naomi24]

Tomus, Why is it a horrible thing to say?  It's true.  People  condemn or vilify and the targets often take umbrage.  It's absolituely wrong to resort to threats and violence but that's what sometimes happens.

[ToraToraTora]

I think she is an awful vile woman but I don't think she or indeed anyone in public life deserves to be attacked by the morons that life among us. Why is that position so difficult to comprehend?

[naomi24]

It's only difficult to comprehend for those who don't want to comprehend, TTT.

[tomus42]

Nah. It's just because it's someone you don't like. If it was Boris being scared to leave the house because of death threats from lefties I'm 100% sure you wouldn't be saying it was partly his fault and you couldn't blame them for taking umbrage.

[naomi24]

Tomus, I simply don't believe you don't understand why it happens - we all know why it happens - but no one has condoned it or attributed 'blame'.  

[THECORBYLOON]

"No one deserves that sort of thing in public life but I think she must take some responsibility."

Regardless of what any MP says or does, are they responsible for the actions of folk who commit arson or send death threats to them or those connected to them?

[THECORBYLOON]

NAOMI, "but no one has condoned it or attributed 'blame'. "

TORATORATORA, stated, "I think [Angela Rayner] must take some responsibility."

What is that if not claiming she is partly to blame?

[tomus42]

//Tomus, I simply don't believe you don't understand why it happens//

Of course I understand why it happens. It's because there are potentially violent pathetic criminal saddoes out there walking among us to coin a phrase.

I don't think their thoughts or actions deserve  any kind of mitigation along the lines of 'Well she is horrible and vile, so it is to be expected'.

[andy-hughes]

TTT // No one deserves that but I can understand why it is hapenning. That's a valid position, ok? //

It is, but that's not what you said.

You said // ... I think she must take some responsibility. //

And that's not the same as understanding why something happens.

I understand why rape happens, but i don;t think that any victim must 'take some responsibility'.

The two views are not the same - in one, it is the recipieint's fault that they are receiving hostility, in the other, you confirm an understanding of why it happens.

If you meant the second, you should confirm that, and withdraw your opening statement.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // In fairness TTT did say no one deserves it but we can't deny that aggression often invites aggression - and she's done her share.  //

I refer you to my previous response.

Knowing why something happens is absolutely not the same as saying it is deserved.

I know why the Holocaust happened, I don't think any of the victims deserved what happened as a reulst.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "Knowing why something happens is absolutely not the same as saying it is deserved." - I agree who said it was?

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // I think she is an awful vile woman but I don't think she or indeed anyone in public life deserves to be attacked by the morons that life among us. Why is that position so difficult to comprehend? //

It's not - but that's not what you opened up with - you have changed your view to something acceptable, because you were challenged for your first post.

Maybe you need to re-read what you are posting before you hit the button.