With The Nhs Lacking In Funds, Should It's Money Be Spent On Such Things?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716301/March-Male-Mums-Women-having-sex-changes-NHS-receiving-free-IVF-three-men-born-female-brink-having-babies.html

[NoMercy]

Words fail me.

[ToraToraTora]

regardless of NHS funding:
1) IVF,
2) sex changes
3) cosmetic surgery for vanity
should never be paid for out of NHS funds. If people want those things pay privately.

[Peter Pedant]

3) cosmetic surgery for vanity already is 3T - altho I dont want to upset the flow of froth

AOG's basic idea is sound - too much demand and not enough action so things have to be prioritised

and the question is .... how

[sp1814]

AOG

Which things? The gender reassignment surgery, the IVF or both?

[Islay]

It could be argued that the trusts must feel that they have the funding available or else they would not do it.

But whilst I support them having a sex change as I feel strongly that it should be allowed, I don't understand the need for a baby too.

Saying that - it is not for me or you to decide.

[NoMercy]

IVF should be paid for by the NHS if the couple has no previous children between them and cannot conceive because of a medical reason.

IVF should not be funded for people who already have children.

[Old_Geezer]

The NHS is for curing illness and I don't see females masquerading as males and wanting help having kids as well as being a suitable use of the budget. Either medical intervention is debatable as to whether it should be offered by the State funds; both seems to be favouring lifestyle over health.

[mushroom25]

//Transgender patients want to live like normal people, says Dr James Barett..//

is anyone brave enough to put a stake in the ground and define, in this conext, what constitutes "normal"?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Which things? The gender reassignment surgery, the IVF or both? ///

Both, these two are all a matter of " I want" not the much more urgent and sometimes, life threatening "I need".

[Baldric]

AOG @ 12:25

Weel said, I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Baldric]

Well ^^ not weel, (where did that come from?)

[sandyRoe]

Does a sex change equip a woman who was once a man with all the bits necessary to give birth?

[hc4361]

Sandy, no

[sandyRoe]

Then this story is just another bit of Mail on Sunday nonsense.

[jourdain2]

No, the NHS shouldn't be paying out for a 'want' rather than 'need'. There are people dragging their bodies around the house, sobbing with pain from a hip that needs replacing - and they are told it is optional and they have to wait. The pain is intense, life-wrecking and, if not fixed, shortens life -- although maybe that's what is wanted, fewer old people. (Sorry for cynicism.)
Then there are cancer sufferers...........

[sp1814]

AOG

Thank you for clarifying.

Yes, I agree that gender reassignment treatment and IVF should be made available on the NHS.


I've looked at the NICE (National Institute for Health and Care Excellence) guidance on IVF and gender dysphoria treatment, and they look reasonable.

I think a lot of people equate the treatment for gender dysphoria is the actual sex change operation. There's a lot more to it than that...treatment ranges across:

- Mental health support, such as counselling
- Cross-sex hormone treatment
- Speech and language therapy
- Hair removal treatments, particularly facial hair
- Peer support groups, to meet other people with gender dysphoria
- Relatives' support groups

We need to stop thinking of the NHS as a single business, where a lack of funding in one geographical or clinical area should impact others.

The criteria for whom and what is funded by the NHS varies across the UK. It's the local GP, local Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) or health board who control what is available to whom in which areas. These groups advise prospective IVF patients on local funding arrangements.

[sp1814]

No sandyRoe.

Male to female gender reassignment does not include the necessary organs that would support the growth of a baby.

Here are more details:

http://www.tsroadmap.com/start/male-to-female.html

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

/// Does a sex change equip a woman who was once a man with all the bits necessary to give birth? ///

/// Then this story is just another bit of Mail on Sunday nonsense. ///

No it is not Sandy if you had read the article it isn't about 'MEN' having babies, but about women who have become ?MEN? having babies.

*** Women having sex changes on the NHS are being given free fertility treatment so they can have babies after they become men. ***

But I understand you being confused, most of us are in this mixed up world we live in today.

[ToraToraTora]

Nomercy: "IVF should be paid for by the NHS if the couple has no previous children between them and cannot conceive because of a medical reason. " - no there is no shortage of people. The NHS is for the sick people not for what is not necessary.