Is it worth Britain having it's own courts?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....ight-family-life.html

/// Akindoyin Akinshipe, 24, was due to be sent home after losing appeal after appeal in the British courts over his jailing for an attack on a girl of 13.///

/// But in a staggering reversal yesterday, the European Court of Human Rights said this would breach his right to a ‘private and family life’.///

Why don't we leave these cases to go to the European Court of Human Rights direct, thus saving millions allowing appeal after appeal, only to be overruled by Europe, when the final one has been refused.

[jake-the-peg]

That's what used to happen before the Human Rights Act

It was a lot more expensive as Government lawyers were forever running off to the European Court of Human Rights

[anotheoldgit]

If it is left to Clegg we will have to stick with Europe and the Human Rights Act, while I think the Tories are right when they say it will be a vote winner if we can remove it's shackles.

/// Grassroots Tories will have felt their hackles rising when he promised the monstrous apparatus of human rights law is "here to stay". Many in the blue corner are starting to think that Europe and the Human Rights Act would be the most vote-winning issues to beat the Lib Dems with come 2014/15, and Clegg just told them he was up for a fight. ///

[Zeuhl]

Trig

classic Daily Mail trick of lying by omission.

<Akindoyin Akinshipe, 24, was due to be sent home after losing appeal after appeal in the British courts over his jailing for an attack on a girl of 13 when he was 15>.

... would be more accurate but counters their spin on the story

[B00]

He should have been sent home at 15 then.

[B00]

still refer to my comment at 16.46

[bazwillrun]

I dont see any distortion of any facts.

this piece of garbage has played the system in order to stay here and the system has told him he can.
i find it amazing that we actually manage to deport anybody at all.
time we got out of the EU and released ourselves from the shackles of the ECHR.

[Zeuhl]

<He should have been sent home at 15 then. >

And when the victim and her family asked 'why has this case not gone through the justice system' what would your answer be?

[Gromit]

There is no such thing as 'European Court of Human Rights'.

[B00]

or we could use the mampy pampy approach and be stuck with this person then, oh wait...hang on we did....excellent!

[Zeuhl]

<<time we got out of the EU and released ourselves from the shackles of the ECHR>>

and how are these two things connected exactly?

[Craftypig]

You know the policy of having criminals meet the victims of their crimes, well I'd like to see these judges have to meet up with the people that have suffered too. I would love to see these particular judges explain to the girl that was 13 at the time she was raped, why they feel the human rights of criminals forever outweigh the human rights of innocent civilians.

[jake-the-peg]

Yes I'm sure that cutting the hands off of criminals for stealing a loaf of bread would win votes with the "blue corner"

However they will vote for Cameron anyway.

The reason he is in a Coalition in the first place is because he was unable to get enough votes from the Left of the country.

Moving further to the right will doom him at the next election

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// There is no such thing as 'European Court of Human Rights'. ///

That's most strange since they happen to have an official web-site.

http://www.echr.coe.int/echr/

[Gromit]

Sorry, yes there is. The British helped set it up. Sorry for the mistake.

[bazwillrun]

<<time we got out of the EU and released ourselves from the shackles of the ECHR>>

and how are these two things connected exactly?

who said they were connected ?

[Zeuhl]

Well they are connected in your sentence obviously.

[New Judge]

Let’s not get too bogged down with semantics.

Once again Article 8 of the ECHR rears its head, this time to allow a convicted rapist enjoy his “family life” here.

This time it was not our own Human Rights Act (he was refused leave to appeal in the UK). So off he went to Strasbourg. Judges there, from such beacons of freedom and upholders of rights and freedoms such as Bosnia, Albania and Montenegro, determined that to deport him would be “disproportionate” as a punishment for his misdemeanors.

AOG is quite right. Since even decisions under the UK’s Human Rights Act (which virtually mirrors the ECHR) can be trumped by Strasbourg. So we might as well abandon our own act and leave the decisions to Strasbourg. It may cost a bit more in Legal Aid for criminals and foreigners, but why worry. We’ve plenty of dosh for that sort of thing.

However, this may be problematic. I remember the Conservatives when in opposition promising to review and possibly repeal our own 1998 Act. I clearly remember David Cameron (whom I believe briefly held the post of Prime Minister) promising just such a thing. Alas today I heard Prime Minister Nick Clegg (who, remember, leads the party that came a distant third in the General Election) when asked about the future of the HR Act, announcing on the BBC that “it...is...here...to...stay”.

So that’s that then.