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Thank you all for your comments. Things have moved on slightly in that the youngest one has a blood clot in his leg and has had to go to the hospital yesterday and today therefore it was easier for him to stay with us last night. Youngest son still not right, came in and went upstairs to his room again after his tea and went off to work this morning just muttered see ya later. I did get a test in reply to mine to him yesterday telling him ai DONT WANT TO FALL OUT AND i LOVE HIM. His reply was yes he loves me too but him and his brother are two different people and both men! Was tempted to go back with "then why cant you act like it and make an effort just to be civil to him" but i thought better of it. His character is that he can be very sulky anyway, so I think its just best to see what evolves. He may cheer up over the weekend! hopefully.