If you are White and Middle Class, just forget it.

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/5sgt4aw

One more example of discrimination against whites.

Is it any wonder schemes such as these only fan the flames of racial division?

/// A Cabinet Office spokesman said: ‘We think the Civil Service should represent the people we serve and we make no apology for that. Selection for permanent positions is available to all and is always based on fair and open competition.’ ///

Yes, and they expect us to believe that also?

[Red_John]

Yes, being white middle class is definately a disadvantage these days.

[sp1814]

Usual cobblers.

Re-read the article.

[rojash]

"Nadhim Zahawi, a Tory MP who identifies himself as Kurdish, said: ‘These schemes are degrading. Margaret Thatcher didn’t need positive discrimination to become prime minister.’ "

Gosh, I hadn't realised that grocers were an ethnic minority. Still, good to know she overcame all her socio-economic disadvantages.

BTW, you did note that it's called "Diversity Internship"? That's because it's to increase diversity in the Police Force. There wouldn't be much point in a diversity program that encouraged more of the same would there?

These schemes are not set up to give an advantage to the people who are on them, they are set up to improve the organisations that run them, by making them more representative of the people they are there to serve.

Usual DM racist spin here.

[sp1814]

Exactly rojash...

And if people had an ounce of common sense (and the ability to read through the usual DM cobblers) they could see that this isn't the ONLY internship on offer. It's one of a range of opportunities.

Still - whatever gives White middle class people the tools to pretend their grammar school and university educated offspring are somehow doomed to failure at the hands of the PC cabals, the better eh?

Errant nonsense again.

[Red_John]

I have Re Read the article SP, it clearly says thatthe application form excludes all but "specific ethnic groups". What am I missing that you have so keenly spotted?

[sp1814]

Red_John


"The force offers a few other work experience places to students from specific colleges"

<White candidates> are eligible to apply for the Fast Stream Summer Diversity Internship <for those whose> families are from under-represented socio-economic backgrounds"

Others can get occasional work experience through individual departments.

So what the article ACTUALLY means, is that six..yes count 'em SIX people from ethnic backgrounds will be able to secure internships, but there are a number of other internships which are available to all.

Wonder why the readership of the Daily Heil didn't pick up on this.

[sp1814]

Could anyone who classes themselves as White and middle class please list to me, how they have been held back by their ethnic and economic background?

[andy-hughes]

It's within the law, and as sp1814 - a constant voice of reason in this blow-hard reactionary ethnic-obsessed section of the AB - points out - it is designed with a specific remit, which it appears to achieve.

Of course, if your knee jerks as routinely as some posters on here, then you will spend your life frothing at the mouth until you fall over ...

[Red_John]

why is it necessary to favour or not certain groups anyway ? Just get the best people for the job regardless of ethnicity. Why must they try and weight it in some way?

[andy-hughes]

Because Red_John, if this type of action does not encourage minorities, then places like the police will be constantly under-represented for ethnic minorities, and in an area like policing, a broad racial mix is essential in helping to break doewn racial barriers ... or not if you're a DM reader!! (LOL!)

[Red_John]

well good luck with the DM Andy, I don't buy a paper personally.

So what you are saying in effect is that normally the target subjects in this case would not want to get involved with the police so they must be encouraged to do so against their natural instincts. Do we really want people doing a job that they are ultimately hostile to in their default personas?

[rojash]

"ultimately hostile to in their default personas? "

Does Private Eye still have a pseud's corner?

[Zeuhl]

Do we want a police force that retains the dinosaur thinking of a closed-minded, whites only 'boys club' out of touch with our wider society?

Or do we want a police force that is modern, forward thinking and equipped to deal with whatever the future has in store for it?

The forces themselves know the answer because they know how badly they have performed in recent years particularly regards community policing, civil unrest and counter terrorism intelligence.

These measures are for the benefit of the service (and ultimately our society) not for the benefit of the minorities.
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[Red_John]

"Do we want a police force that retains the dinosaur thinking of a closed-minded, whites only 'boys club' out of touch with our wider society?

Or do we want a police force that is modern, forward thinking and equipped to deal with whatever the future has in store for it? "

So left to their own devices the police could not be trusted to recruit the best candidates for the job and must therefore be pushed in the "right" direction, is that what you are saying Zheul?

So rojash are you saying the ethnic minorities would all love to be coppers if only they were given special treatment? Right oh!

[Zeuhl]

Red

What makes you think the forces are being 'pushed'?

According to my sources, senior officers recognise this as essential in their development. The alternative is marginalisation and reduced effectiveness. They saw at first hand the inherent racism of the 1980s and saw how it led to police humiliation in the riots in Brixton, Bristol, Toxteth not to mention the recent failure to spot home-grown terrorists.
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[Zeuhl]

<<So rojash are you saying the ethnic minorities would all love to be coppers if only they were given special treatment? Right oh! >>

I doubt it but frankly, if you think this is about what ethnic minorities want you are sadly mistaken.

This is about what we need to do to maintain and improve our police effectiveness.
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[jackthehat]

There are members of society from all strata and all ethnic backgrounds who only half-consider a career in the Police Service because they believe, wrongly, I hope, that their applications would not be particularly well-received.

If measures such as this can persuade them to join up, then surely that is to be applauded ?

[rojash]

"So rojash are you saying the ethnic minorities would all love to be coppers if only they were given special treatment? Right oh! "

Red_John, You really are incapable of reading what is written aren't you?

That almost exactly the opposite of what I was saying. The schemes are not there to give special treatment to people who want to be coppers, they are there to encourage people who wouldn't necessarily want such a career, to discover what it's like and maybe change their minds.

"So left to their own devices the police could not be trusted to recruit the best candidates for the job"

They are left to their own devices - these schemes are run by the police. It's you and your ilk are telling them that they are doing it wrong.

[owdhamer]

There was a little ditty going around when i was a lad , yes even so long ago ther were percieved injustices tqwards middle class whites.The bulk of the text is long forgotten but ended "if you no like coloured man plenty room in P________n". maybe thats the answer