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Honey G - The ? Factor
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When does 'novelty' stop, and weirdness start -
Yes, she’s a ‘novelty’ – so is a dancing bear, it’s a ‘guilty pleasure’ – so is making yourself sick with chocolate, but the actual appeal of Honey G remains as elusive as ever.
Of course X Factor chews and spits out hopefuls like an industrial wood chipper, it always has, and like The Apprentice, people are kept for ‘entertainment (me neither) value over talent – let’s face it, Lord Sugar’s current batch deserved the axe on Day One.
If you are in everyone’s living room for three months, and you haven’t got a ‘following’, then the law of averages has collapsed around you, but are people going to wash their hair, hire a sitter and drive into town on a cold January night to watch Ms. G ‘rap’? Whadda you think!
Known for dodgy bling, an absence of anything in the same hemisphere as style and the same shades every day, Ms. G. is doing what she can – sitting behind something created with no input from her, and hoping no-one moves the curtain.
The truth is, rap is about credibility, talking to a like-minded audience, creating meaningful urban poetry, and delivering it with skill and style – aspects of the craft which are utterly absent in Honey G’s outings. Pop has loved novelty acts since Tiny Tim (ask your granddad) but novelty is like candy floss, when you take a bite at the substance of it, there is actually nothing there at all.
The longer people buy into the ‘novelty’ of a woman old enough to know better, the worse it gets.
But pop is cruel, and novelties have limited appeal, and there is one simply unarguable inevitable vicious simple truth about the British public – they don’t like lumpy plain untalented pop stars for very long at all.
Yes, she’s a ‘novelty’ – so is a dancing bear, it’s a ‘guilty pleasure’ – so is making yourself sick with chocolate, but the actual appeal of Honey G remains as elusive as ever.
Of course X Factor chews and spits out hopefuls like an industrial wood chipper, it always has, and like The Apprentice, people are kept for ‘entertainment (me neither) value over talent – let’s face it, Lord Sugar’s current batch deserved the axe on Day One.
If you are in everyone’s living room for three months, and you haven’t got a ‘following’, then the law of averages has collapsed around you, but are people going to wash their hair, hire a sitter and drive into town on a cold January night to watch Ms. G ‘rap’? Whadda you think!
Known for dodgy bling, an absence of anything in the same hemisphere as style and the same shades every day, Ms. G. is doing what she can – sitting behind something created with no input from her, and hoping no-one moves the curtain.
The truth is, rap is about credibility, talking to a like-minded audience, creating meaningful urban poetry, and delivering it with skill and style – aspects of the craft which are utterly absent in Honey G’s outings. Pop has loved novelty acts since Tiny Tim (ask your granddad) but novelty is like candy floss, when you take a bite at the substance of it, there is actually nothing there at all.
The longer people buy into the ‘novelty’ of a woman old enough to know better, the worse it gets.
But pop is cruel, and novelties have limited appeal, and there is one simply unarguable inevitable vicious simple truth about the British public – they don’t like lumpy plain untalented pop stars for very long at all.
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'The truth is, rap is about credibility, talking to a like-minded audience, creating meaningful urban poetry, and delivering it with skill and style'
There's only very few rappers willing to carry on that aspect of the music; KRS-One springs to mind. I first got into rap back in 1984 and it all changed after NWA in the early 90s and got all 'gangster'.
From what I see of a lot of what's popular now is violent, misogynistic boastful nonsense. It has become a parody of itself.
There's only very few rappers willing to carry on that aspect of the music; KRS-One springs to mind. I first got into rap back in 1984 and it all changed after NWA in the early 90s and got all 'gangster'.
From what I see of a lot of what's popular now is violent, misogynistic boastful nonsense. It has become a parody of itself.
Booldawg - //'The truth is, rap is about credibility, talking to a like-minded audience, creating meaningful urban poetry, and delivering it with skill and style'
There's only very few rappers willing to carry on that aspect of the music; KRS-One springs to mind. I first got into rap back in 1984 and it all changed after NWA in the early 90s and got all 'gangster'.
From what I see of a lot of what's popular now is violent, misogynistic boastful nonsense. It has become a parody of itself. //
I take your point.
But white rappers have an inbuilt problem to start with - that rap is inherently black music, by custom and practice.
So trying to be convincing about issues that affect alienated young black people is bound to fail, and best not attempted.
So Ms. G has two potential paths to follow - she can go for the straight-forward musical plagiarism route - completed a well-constructed rap that is carried on a hit single by other artists (NB this can lead to costly litigation) - as Vanilla Ice did.
Or she can attempt to scale the Everest-style heights of Eminem (172 million albums - biggest selling artist of the decade 2000 - 2010) whose skill is indicated in my previous YouTube link - by actually writing her own raps.
I think if she had any talent, it would be visible by now - it's not.
There's only very few rappers willing to carry on that aspect of the music; KRS-One springs to mind. I first got into rap back in 1984 and it all changed after NWA in the early 90s and got all 'gangster'.
From what I see of a lot of what's popular now is violent, misogynistic boastful nonsense. It has become a parody of itself. //
I take your point.
But white rappers have an inbuilt problem to start with - that rap is inherently black music, by custom and practice.
So trying to be convincing about issues that affect alienated young black people is bound to fail, and best not attempted.
So Ms. G has two potential paths to follow - she can go for the straight-forward musical plagiarism route - completed a well-constructed rap that is carried on a hit single by other artists (NB this can lead to costly litigation) - as Vanilla Ice did.
Or she can attempt to scale the Everest-style heights of Eminem (172 million albums - biggest selling artist of the decade 2000 - 2010) whose skill is indicated in my previous YouTube link - by actually writing her own raps.
I think if she had any talent, it would be visible by now - it's not.
The whole thing is bizarre to say the least. I said to my husband on Saturday night if she gets a standing ovation I'll throw my iPad at the TV....... shame as I loved that iPad..... seriously what thI hell are the judges playing at?? I don't know a single person who liked Honey G so there is no way she is getting the votes to stay in every week. It's absolutely cringeworthy now
As I pointed out in my OP - we accept that the X-Factor is not an audition process, it's a TV entertainment show.
If it had been a genuine audition process, Ms G would not have walked as far as the microphone before being asked to leave - she doesn't look right, regardless of how good or not she may have been when she did her rap.
But it is TV entertainment, and the polarisation of views continues to let her stay in.
I think there is a vast body of young people who are willing to vote for Honey G in order to irritate the remainder of the viewing public, and they are laughing their way through each succeeding week that she remains.
If it had been a genuine audition process, Ms G would not have walked as far as the microphone before being asked to leave - she doesn't look right, regardless of how good or not she may have been when she did her rap.
But it is TV entertainment, and the polarisation of views continues to let her stay in.
I think there is a vast body of young people who are willing to vote for Honey G in order to irritate the remainder of the viewing public, and they are laughing their way through each succeeding week that she remains.
Well said Andy,
I met someone only last week whose son was in a boy-band, came 4th a few years ago, and doing very well, still.
She said that the whole things fixed, as some of us know or think, like the Celeb dancing thingy.
When Honey G finally gets chucked off, she will make a few quid, on chat and, panel shows, maybe B/B, or the jungle.
So who is actually voting for her?????????
I met someone only last week whose son was in a boy-band, came 4th a few years ago, and doing very well, still.
She said that the whole things fixed, as some of us know or think, like the Celeb dancing thingy.
When Honey G finally gets chucked off, she will make a few quid, on chat and, panel shows, maybe B/B, or the jungle.
So who is actually voting for her?????????
I don't actually see the point of the show anymore - it's well past it's sell by date. How many winners actually make a success these days? It's like The Voice. I'm baffled as to why they keep making this programme year after year as I couldn't even name one winner and non of them have ever made a success. So odd.
Smoball - //I don't actually see the point of the show anymore - it's well past it's sell by date. How many winners actually make a success these days? It's like The Voice. I'm baffled as to why they keep making this programme year after year as I couldn't even name one winner and non of them have ever made a success. So odd. //
It has never been about the winners, they are an irrelavence.
The issue is the millions who tune in and dial in - they produce direct revenue and advertising revenue, and that is all commercial television is ever about.
For the BBC - they also follow ratings - entirely against their remit and charter - but they do it anyway.
So never confuse the outcome with the 'journey', because that is where the money comes from.
It has never been about the winners, they are an irrelavence.
The issue is the millions who tune in and dial in - they produce direct revenue and advertising revenue, and that is all commercial television is ever about.
For the BBC - they also follow ratings - entirely against their remit and charter - but they do it anyway.
So never confuse the outcome with the 'journey', because that is where the money comes from.
She's this year's Reggie and Bowlhead, or whatever they were called. A talentless gimmick, there to please the masses of drones who have no interest in anything other than 'pop' and, just like those before her will remain in the contest until the final weeks whilst those with real talent have to battle and subsequently lose their places.
In short, yes, she's utter dog$hlte.
In short, yes, she's utter dog$hlte.
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