Was Cromwell a goodie or a baddie? PS I know Guy Fawkes was a goodie!

[SSSid]

As Above!!!

[humbersloop]

Too early to say really

[stewey]

I would say, SSSid, that there is no definitive answer to that type of question; the responses to it will all be based upon ones interpretation and opinion of the historical "facts". It is akin to asking if Thatcher was a goodie or a baddie.

[mike11111]

Do you mean Thomas or Oliver?

Guy Fawkes was a goodie? He and his mates did more to ensure the persecution of Catholics over the next century than did ever the most rabid of Protestants.

Thatcher was a goodie or a baddie? Goodie, goodie, goodie!

[mightyWBA]

Tim Brooke Taylor was a Goodie.
As for Cromwell, it depends which side you were on.

[emmie]

why was Guy Fawkes a goodie?

[Wharton]

^^^gumdrops, and jaw with it.

[stewey]

Because, em10, he opened up an opportunity for you guys to burn stuff once a year:)

[emmie]

why, seeing as he tried to blow up Parliament, as to Cromwell he wasn't a goodie, ask the Irish about that one.

[Hopkirk]

I can't remember, it was so long ago.

[jno]

em's spot on, it will depend on whether you're asking an English republican or an Irish one.

[NOX]

I'm Irish so very much a baddie I'm afraid...

[mike11111]

"I'm Irish so very much a baddie I'm afraid..."

There speaks the true academic!!!!!

[sandyRoe]

The people of Drogheda, where his troops conducted a massacre, remember him with no fondness.

[NOX]

Give it a rest Mike11111, I know you don't like me and for some reason also think I'm Naomi in disguise who you also don't like, but I can back up that opinion on Oliver Cromwell, just like I can back up my opinion of Richard III. I have yet to see you back an opinion up on either with any facts, which in my book makes you quite a poor academic, but then I've got a 1st in history and we're required to back up our opinions these days.

[thenry]

A Baddie ! TBT GG BO were the goodies !

[mike11111]

If you have a first, then I bow to your superior knowledge and will not bother you any more. I had no reason to believe that you were as well qualified as my lecturers. Fear me no longer, I shall not bother you again.

[NOX]

But Mike it DOESN'T MATTER that I have a 1st, that was my point, why can't people on here simply have an interesting debate on history without having to pull rank on one another about qualifications that don't even matter. I have been out debated many times by an old fella in the pub who was a farm labourer and had NO qualifications. Do you not find history interesting enough no matter who you are talking to? I was genuinely interested in WHY you think as you do about Richard III before it got all mudslingingish about flaming qualifications.

[ichkeria]

I'm Irish: Baddie:-) I used to spit on his monument on the Cotswold Way when I ran past it. Mind you this is not an academic opinion :-)

[mike11111]

I take your point, but I no longer debate on chat forums. Too dangerous and too hurtful, if you are of a sensitive nature, which I am not. Learnt my lesson on the religion site.

[nungate]

I think I would have enjoyed that debate about Richard III Nox, I really think he did suffer a bad press.
As for Ollie - a baddie for me, too much of the thou shalt not....have cakes and ale, no Christmas, all in all a cake taker! Not withstanding the fact that he ruined a good few castles around my county, Dunbar, Dirleton and Tantallon for instance