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Muslims And Jerusalem
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As there is absolutely no mention of Jerusalem in the Koran, why do Muslims, despite a Jewish presence there for 3,000 years, think they have any claim whatsoever to it?
Only recently are books appearing attempting to create a connection by deceit and fabrication;
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Only recently are books appearing attempting to create a connection by deceit and fabrication;
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Basically Roman Chiritianity superceded The Jews in Israel in the third century, and they didn’t get it back until the middle of the 20th century.
So it is rather disingenuous to say they have been there for 3000 years.
Christians as well as muslims have holy sites in Jerusalem.
The claim that God gave Israel to the Jews rather falls down if you regard those holy books as fairy stories. The Arabs had it from the 7th century, and then the British briefly. Conquerers occupy and then stake claims to Sovereignty, be it the Romans, Arabs and British. But modern Israel wasn’t created from a conquest, it was gifted by the superpowers, and had been occupied by non jews as part of the Ottoman empire for centuries.
So yes, a claim based on the Quran is bogus, but the jews’ claim is equally bogus.
So it is rather disingenuous to say they have been there for 3000 years.
Christians as well as muslims have holy sites in Jerusalem.
The claim that God gave Israel to the Jews rather falls down if you regard those holy books as fairy stories. The Arabs had it from the 7th century, and then the British briefly. Conquerers occupy and then stake claims to Sovereignty, be it the Romans, Arabs and British. But modern Israel wasn’t created from a conquest, it was gifted by the superpowers, and had been occupied by non jews as part of the Ottoman empire for centuries.
So yes, a claim based on the Quran is bogus, but the jews’ claim is equally bogus.
A bit of a biased report there Khandro, but it’s your way so not unexpected. Ignoring the fact that Islam ruled Jerusalem for generations with the Jews out of the picture until the middle of the 20th century, Islam was founded on Judaism with a bit of Christianity thrown in for good measure. Mohammed was a wily old merchant who, when writing the Koran, attempted to address all eventualities, and with the subsequent help of supporters who were, and still are, eager to duck and dive around the contents of that original scrap of a book, pretty much succeeded. Putting it simply Islam high-jacked virtually every aspect of Judaism including its prophets. It too traces its history back to Adam and, furthermore, claims to pre-date Judaism. Hence, with its belief in Mohammed as the final prophet there is, therefore, no more to be said. All of that, in Islam’s estimation, supersedes any other entitlement and justifies its right to claim Jerusalem for itself.
Leaving religion aside, morally the Palestinians who have occupied the land we now know as Israel for well over 1000 years have been treated abysmally but that said I would far rather the Jews retain Jerusalem and Israel than for either to fall to Islam.
Despite all its perceived ‘holiness’ Jerusalem is one of the saddest places on earth. So much for ‘holiness’.
Oh that we could rid the world of the blight on the planet that is religion!!
Leaving religion aside, morally the Palestinians who have occupied the land we now know as Israel for well over 1000 years have been treated abysmally but that said I would far rather the Jews retain Jerusalem and Israel than for either to fall to Islam.
Despite all its perceived ‘holiness’ Jerusalem is one of the saddest places on earth. So much for ‘holiness’.
Oh that we could rid the world of the blight on the planet that is religion!!
aog, no, it was the British. The Zionists drove them out with a terrorism campaign.
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naomi // Am I now supposed to answer my own question?
and while we're "off tangent", as you put it, Rod Liddle on Palestinians;
“Perhaps it is my suggestion that many Muslims are not favourably inclined towards Jews that provoked my suspension from the[Labour] party.
“Or perhaps it was my assertion that if the Palestinians were given Israel they would turn it very quickly into Somalia before you could say Yom Kippur, that enraged these new commissars.”
and while we're "off tangent", as you put it, Rod Liddle on Palestinians;
“Perhaps it is my suggestion that many Muslims are not favourably inclined towards Jews that provoked my suspension from the[Labour] party.
“Or perhaps it was my assertion that if the Palestinians were given Israel they would turn it very quickly into Somalia before you could say Yom Kippur, that enraged these new commissars.”
