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Amritsar Massacre
Watching the C4 documentary on the 1919 massacre at Amritsar . Shocking, appalling - and the typical reactions from the descendants of the British officer who ordered his men to open fire on the unarmed crowd, and those of his defenders, was “It wasn’t a massacre, it was riot-containment.”
You can imagine similar comments from descendants of the Nazis - it wasn’t genocide, just over-zealous prison guards - sickening.
How little we British know of our own bloody history.
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You can imagine similar comments from descendants of the Nazis - it wasn’t genocide, just over-zealous prison guards - sickening.
How little we British know of our own bloody history.
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yes this is called colonizin' in reverse and is seen in all post-imperialist cultures
( including the Roman empire)
Emperor Doodah ( this is AB and I cannot like other Abers be arrissed to find out the name) enrolled all men within the Empire as Roman Citizens - for tax and income reasons.
Shades of Putin offering Ukraine ( or as Putin would say 'MyCraine') citizenship
[ I theenk we are ze same peoples - Putin]
( including the Roman empire)
Emperor Doodah ( this is AB and I cannot like other Abers be arrissed to find out the name) enrolled all men within the Empire as Roman Citizens - for tax and income reasons.
Shades of Putin offering Ukraine ( or as Putin would say 'MyCraine') citizenship
[ I theenk we are ze same peoples - Putin]
PP I forget his name, too, but you're right, it was a very smart move...
But to tamborine and his ilk: the Indians, by and large, acknowledge the 'good' that the British did, in much the same way as we acknowledge the Roman roads etc... but at the same time they remember the evil, too.
And they (the Indians) are prepared to live with this duality. Not quite forgiving and forgetting (which started off as forgetting and forgiving), but at least bowing to that which cannot be changed, and getting on with life.
But you cannot pretend that the British were totally honourable, otherwise one doubts your understanding of ALL history.
BB
But to tamborine and his ilk: the Indians, by and large, acknowledge the 'good' that the British did, in much the same way as we acknowledge the Roman roads etc... but at the same time they remember the evil, too.
And they (the Indians) are prepared to live with this duality. Not quite forgiving and forgetting (which started off as forgetting and forgiving), but at least bowing to that which cannot be changed, and getting on with life.
But you cannot pretend that the British were totally honourable, otherwise one doubts your understanding of ALL history.
BB
Lots of other countries were trading in India before Britain. Tho Britain left India more industrial, financial, armorial & infrasture wealth than other occupiers
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// You still don't get it, tamborine, do you?
We had NO right to be in India, NO right to have 'garrison towns', NO right to the 'East India Company'. // Brilliant BB
You still don't get it, BB, do you?
East India company was incorporated as a er corporation by James I I think and was initially trading company
(so that settles the 'right to EIC' whatever that is!)
no right to be in India - trade ( settled that one)
and no right to garrison towns ( protects trade once it has begun......
all these points are covered in
Imperialism; A Study Paperback – 12 Sep 2013
by John Atkinson Hobson (Author)
which is the red hot trot book Corbyn is accused of forewording without the obligatory damnation of the antisemitism (yes really) that one
railed against - by Daniel Finkelperson no less in the Times over half a page
I emailed said DF and told him that the navy following trade and not the other way round, was what China was doing now in the south china seas
that garrison towns - the chinese were building friendship naval bases far to the south of china
and he (all parties) had announced that security concerns coloured decisions. Last week a Beeb Hack had bearded an american trade secretary that Trump warning about Hua wei. Her point was really that there was an american inferior product Trump wanted to sell, and it was dressed up as a security issue. The secretary just about had a nuclear melt down but did not deny it
so basically - Hobsons ideas on IMperialism are not dead but are up and running today ! and he has something to tell us.....over the hundred years since he wrote it ( in the summer of empire actually but there you are)
(as a result of the hoo-ha, (not an AB, as quiet as a howling AOG) there is no paper back copy for sale at less than £20)
tis
This rather llong note draws parallels about ideas of empire from 1904 to what is happening elsewhere ( in places that are often heard to spell) today
It can be summed up as:
we arent still fighting about Amritsar are we?
pun intended
We had NO right to be in India, NO right to have 'garrison towns', NO right to the 'East India Company'. // Brilliant BB
You still don't get it, BB, do you?
East India company was incorporated as a er corporation by James I I think and was initially trading company
(so that settles the 'right to EIC' whatever that is!)
no right to be in India - trade ( settled that one)
and no right to garrison towns ( protects trade once it has begun......
all these points are covered in
Imperialism; A Study Paperback – 12 Sep 2013
by John Atkinson Hobson (Author)
which is the red hot trot book Corbyn is accused of forewording without the obligatory damnation of the antisemitism (yes really) that one
railed against - by Daniel Finkelperson no less in the Times over half a page
I emailed said DF and told him that the navy following trade and not the other way round, was what China was doing now in the south china seas
that garrison towns - the chinese were building friendship naval bases far to the south of china
and he (all parties) had announced that security concerns coloured decisions. Last week a Beeb Hack had bearded an american trade secretary that Trump warning about Hua wei. Her point was really that there was an american inferior product Trump wanted to sell, and it was dressed up as a security issue. The secretary just about had a nuclear melt down but did not deny it
so basically - Hobsons ideas on IMperialism are not dead but are up and running today ! and he has something to tell us.....over the hundred years since he wrote it ( in the summer of empire actually but there you are)
(as a result of the hoo-ha, (not an AB, as quiet as a howling AOG) there is no paper back copy for sale at less than £20)
tis
This rather llong note draws parallels about ideas of empire from 1904 to what is happening elsewhere ( in places that are often heard to spell) today
It can be summed up as:
we arent still fighting about Amritsar are we?
pun intended
// Tho Britain left India more industrial, financial & infrasture wealthy//
the japanese had purposely NOT bombed Calcutta ( a huge industrial centre at that time - of all the Hollerith calculators, 25% were in Calcutta) so they could use it when they marched in
so when the British marched out .... what happened to the Indian Century?
it didnt - ( like Sarf America) it had a huge unbombed industry whilst Europe was a wasteland ....
nothing - it didnt happen
we have gone from the American Century
straight into tthe Chinese Century
[all ask: I think we should be told]
the japanese had purposely NOT bombed Calcutta ( a huge industrial centre at that time - of all the Hollerith calculators, 25% were in Calcutta) so they could use it when they marched in
so when the British marched out .... what happened to the Indian Century?
it didnt - ( like Sarf America) it had a huge unbombed industry whilst Europe was a wasteland ....
nothing - it didnt happen
we have gone from the American Century
straight into tthe Chinese Century
[all ask: I think we should be told]
oh that was Bose - the British wanted to hang him but in fact he did more damage alive than dead ( to his own cause)
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rearming the Japanese troops is here
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the idea was that the japanese would not surrender but they WOULD police the now liberated peoples of Asia from the er Japanese boot ( or Far East Cooperation Community) since there were no whites to do it
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rearming the Japanese troops is here
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the idea was that the japanese would not surrender but they WOULD police the now liberated peoples of Asia from the er Japanese boot ( or Far East Cooperation Community) since there were no whites to do it
BB, you never did answer my question,
And what about the Gurkhas?
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Sod the Gurkhas.
PP. You have a curious attitude to moral philosophy, viz a Thing is Written Down, therefore it Must Be True.
Come off it.
Or, I don't care how many bleeding English/Scottish royals granted what 'rights' to what 17th century pirates (land or sea), THEY didn't have the right, either!
None of have rights, except possibly the right to live and breath.
BB
PP. You have a curious attitude to moral philosophy, viz a Thing is Written Down, therefore it Must Be True.
Come off it.
Or, I don't care how many bleeding English/Scottish royals granted what 'rights' to what 17th century pirates (land or sea), THEY didn't have the right, either!
None of have rights, except possibly the right to live and breath.
BB
