Belgian Ban On Halal And Kosher Slaughter

[fender62]

i have to agree the ban is correct, animal suffering for some archaic religious belief
this ban should be in all western countries, as a meat eater myself i would not want the animal
to suffer, call me a hypocrite err vegans would but i do actually care about them suffering.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9064255/Belgian-ban-Muslim-halal-Jewish-kosher-animal-slaughter-backed-EU-court.html

[Atheist]

I am against breeding and slaughtering animals in order to provide us with food that we like but do not need. I don't know a lot about kosher or Halal, but what I have heard does not sound very pleasant - designed to comply with some old god's word and/or for health reasons in an ancient time with no refrigeration.

[emmie]

we have halal here i don;t happen to agree with it, but as one poster has explained chicken farming here is barbaric. I know that one must keep an open mind, but reckon if we knew half of what went on in most abbatoirs then we would indeed become vegetarian

[emmie]

i posted before on this that NZ lamb is 70 percent halal.

[New Judge]

//I am against breeding and slaughtering animals in order to provide us with food that we like but do not need.//

What's your definition of what we need or don't need?

[KARL]

I believe there already are other coutries where a similar ban has been in force for decades.

[Atheist]

I think that a secular state would take animal welfare above the requirements of religions. Some religions used human or animal sacrifice as part of their rites and I think that wouldn't be felt acceptable nowadays. Slaughter and sacrifice as a sign of love or fear of god seems to me to be an obscenity, contradicting all my instincts of decent treatment for living entities. I think modern secular authorities should not protect such religious practices, any more tha FGM.

[emmie]

goes into definition of what halal is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27324224

[Atheist]

NJ; I don't think that we need meat, wither for health reasons of for economic reasons. I've lived without it for 50 years and am in reasonable health. How are you feeling?

[emmie]

labelling for halal meats should be clearer so one has a choice

[New Judge]

//Slaughter and sacrifice as a sign of love or fear of god seems to me to be an obscenity,...//

I quite agree. But what's your definition of what food we need or don't need?

[Atheist]

NJ, I think we don't need meat. In fact I know that I don't need meat. Are you about to propose reasons other than health in favour of meat? Perhaps you feel it is economically necessary for the economy? I'm here to listen.

[New Judge]

//I've lived without it for 50 years and am in reasonable health. How are you feeling?//

I've lived with it ever since I could chew and I feel absolutely fine. Whether we need it for health or economic reasons I care not a jot. I need it because without it I would not have the sort of diet I enjoy. I also don't like or cannot eat many of the meat substitutes that non-meat eaters enjoy so my diet would not be very balanced.

[emmie]

do you wear leather atheist or have any products that are animal based. do you eat fish for example

[fender62]

i wonder if such a ban will ever happen here, you see lot's of animal rights marches etc, but they dont mention such slaughter, only chicken farming? and pigs have feelings pun, i would be a good idea to ban it.
who knows it may lead to an exodus of people to a pro halal country
may even put off some of the dinghy arrivals.

[emmie]

anyway back to the post, halal is rife in London, most of markets that i have frequented in the past like those in Brixton mainly are halal butchers Same with Wood Green. I won;t buy from them at all

[pixie374]

I don't think it's hypocritical, fender. Humans are designed to eat meat. And in spite of being a vegetarian for many years, that's seems reasonable.
Not wanting to abuse animals who are alive, obviously isn't the same as suggesting they should never be born.

[emmie]

no it won;t fender, too much of an outcry by those who have a vested interest.

[Atheist]

Emmie, some of my shoes are leather, and I do eat eggs and cheese and sometimes eat fish and very occasionally a bit of ham or (very rarely) wild boar. I'm not a fanatic or fundamentalist, but I think it's better to be a bit humane than not humane at all. I know that's not very well put, but it's all I can manage.

[fender62]

emmie, vested interest..i think if the public had a vote, it would be 99% ban it, there are only so many jews and muslims in the uk.
it would come down to who benefits cash wise, or let's not offend
so and so..but that's not the 99%.

[emmie]

so you do wear leather and eat some meat. How you know those animals were killed humanely. There should be clear labelling where halal is concerned..