Belgian Ban On Halal And Kosher Slaughter

[fender62]

i have to agree the ban is correct, animal suffering for some archaic religious belief
this ban should be in all western countries, as a meat eater myself i would not want the animal
to suffer, call me a hypocrite err vegans would but i do actually care about them suffering.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9064255/Belgian-ban-Muslim-halal-Jewish-kosher-animal-slaughter-backed-EU-court.html

[emmie]

don;t quote me but i believe there are over 250 thousand Jewish people or of Jewish Descent and over 3 million Muslims in London, they have quite a say wouldnt you think.

[Mamyalynne]

Totally agree re better labelling, then the customer is fully informed.

https://halalfocus.net/uk-meat-from-animals-not-stunned-before-they-are-slaughtered-must-be-labelled-vet-association-says/

[pixie374]

No. There should be laws about animal rights in the UK anyway. Nobody should be above that.

[emmie]

many people either don't know or don;t care. Only those like APG who has a farm i think. believes in ethical farming. she was the one who posted about how chickens are killed, it was horrible.

[Atheist]

Pixie; humans were not designed to eat meat. They evolved to eat whatever was available, whether it was plankton, shrimps, mammals, cows, calves, chicks, other humanoids, other humanoid babies.....
I think we shouldn't use our evolutionary history to override other human values we have, such as the 'nice' bits of religions.
NJ doesn't want to be deprived of food that he likes, and implies that he needs meat substitutes. That's up to him. I think that god would say 'Oh, you like killing and eating my creations? Welcome, my son; I love eating them too!!'

[fender62]

emmie, i dont know and it does concern me, but not to the point
where i will stop eating meat, clear labeling would make a difference
to my and im sure other peoples purchases, why is it not labeled?
would certain people complain it offends them.

[emmie]

when most pick up their sunday roast do they think about where its sourced, most i am sure don't, Those who perhaps live in the countryside may have farmers markets for local produce, and know their local butcher but are animals all killed humanely, one would hope so, but there is no way of knowing for sure. I am merely putting both sides of the argument.

[emmie]

better labelling and more education to the populace at large. That won;t stop halal, certainly not in the capital.

[emmie]

how to enforce it though, more inspections on outlets that do halal meats. I wonder if that remotely feasible now.

[emmie]

European countries like Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark, and Slovenia have banned ritual slaughter like Halal and Kosher. India should also have laws which mandate that all animals be stunned before they are killed

[douglas9401]

This is a good thing.

[emmie]

it is, but wait for the fallout. Do they have an army of inspectors to go round to each site, you can ban it but it still can carry on.

[emmie]

like France banning the burkha. wonder how they got on with that.....

[bentaxle]

I'm with you on this Atheist having seen slaughtering before Halal came about I don't think there is a kind way of doing it
I once worked at a firm that produced ersatz meat but they couldn't cure the flatulence problem so they gave up And after all most of our food we eat is full of flavouring so in years to come god knows what we'll be eating

[Sunk]

For many hundreds of years the British slaughtered animals in the traditional methods deployed by halal and kosher butchers.
The switch to more humane slaughter had more to do with economics, higher population, shopping trends and efficiency than animal welfare.
Processing meat became more mechanised in the 1950s and meat became available cheaper and more plentiful in shops other than butchers shops. For that to happen traditional butchery which was slow and labour intensive, gave way to a conveyor belt slaughter. Stun guns speeded up the process and became mandatory in 1954.
The animal welfare aspect was a selling point rather than the main objective. Bigger profit was the driving force, and traditional methods were uneconomic.

If people want traditionally slaughtered food and are prepared to pay for it, then it should be available.

[Atheist]

I think people's views might change if our youngsters saw half-cows or chickens hanging from hooks in butchers' shops, instead of plastic wraps full of pink stuff in the fridge.

[dave50]

Animal rights activists never mention halal meat, as they are part and parcel of the same set of people that have unwavering support of the Muslim communities and all their traditions, so they would be tearing themselves inside out trying to reconcile the two issues, so they just ignore it.

[pixie374]

We are, atheist. We have teeth for meat and eyes at the front of our heads, like predators. That doesn't justify abuse, but it does prove we are omnivores.

[Atheist]

Pixie; omnivores, yes. But males evolved to kill rivals and to protect weak juveniles from our own species and to inseminate as many females as possible and to form lasting bonds; all of these traits which served to keep us alive. We're not slaves to our evolutionary history. We also evolved to have complicated brains and social and mental states. We now decide what we want to be. That's why we can decide to have human rights laws and, soon perhaps, other species rights laws.

[Atheist]

If the meat runs out, or its production disgusts us enough, we will look for alternatives.