1901 census mystery

[dothawkes31]

Hi, there are two people we have never been able to spot on the 1901 census, they should be there, but ever since it's release and with dozens of attempts they will not reveal themselves! All their parents and siblings are there.
Edward Hale born 1 dec 1875 St George in the East son of a shoemaker married Matilda Killingback in 1906 at St Johns Limehouse.
BUT, in 1902,1904 and 1905 they had children together and on all 3 birth certs they have registered the children as though they were legally married .
Neither can be found on the 1901, the eldest child was born April 1902 in Poplar and so possibly they are together somewhere but we have tried all sorts of variations on the spelling of the surnames.
We have looked at a possible mis-transcribing from the original enmerators book by ancestry and FMP and still not uncovered them. It is possible I suppose that they were simply missed as they lived in the worst part of the East End for overcrowding.
Any new ideas would be helpful! We have all the baptisms and civil certs and their details from all earlier census returns, they both died in 1913 and we have them on the 1911 together.

[TheOtherHalf]

Sorry dothawkes31

Ive tried a few different ways for you but like you am completely stuck. Is it possible to view electoral rolls for that time in the area you think they may be ?
Ive got one Im really stuck on too as though she doesnt exist but its my mother in laws gmother so I know she does. I may try to put it on here to see if anyone can help

Good luck in your search

[cazzz1975]

I had a similar problem trying to locate people on the 1891 census, I all but gave up when I found them by luck lodging in a distant relatives house, their names had been badly misspelt from brooks to brdoks

[dothawkes31]

No they wouldn't be included on an electoral roll at that time. Edward had volunteered or the Middlesex regiment militia when he was 18 and so about 2003 I was at Kew and tried to check to see if he's served in the Boer War with the Middlesex but found nothing. Thanks for having a look,

[dothawkes31]

I know it;s so annoying, Edwars is Edward Hals on the 1891 and so are all his family, really stupid mistakes and not jst comtemporary ones, the ancestry transcribers do even worse jobs.

[craft1948]

What was his occupation in 1911 dot?

[cazzz1975]

i tend to do address searches, I always check the neighbours and any family when I cant find someone

[TheOtherHalf]

Yes Cazzzz Ive sometimes done that. Ive gone right through the village if its only a small place and I have sometimes been lucky enough to find them, usually mispelt !

[Barmaid]

I would try an address search using the birth cert in Poplar as a starting point. I just ran a couple of searches and I couldn't dig them up. It's situations like this when microfilm can be quite handy because you can very quickly cover a whole roll, but I find ancestry too slow to load the next page.

I am having the same problem with my ggg grandfather at the moment. Found him on all the Census bar 1901. Driving me nuts. Mind you, having said that, I have found him as a witness to a wedding in Buenos Aires in May 1900 so it is possible he was still abroad.

[dothawkes31]

General Labourer craft. It's always been a strange one, even though they married after the kids were born (1906) Edward still listed her as Matilda kiliingback when he filled in the 1911 return, on their first born 's birth, Edward registered the child and for the mothers maiden name he gave Walker, so when I bought the copy birth cert in 1987 i spent years trying to find him marrying a walker, only when the 1891 came out did I find him with his parents and realise that his own mother's maiden name was walker, he'd obviously answered the question wrong!!!

[dothawkes31]

I know back in 2002 i did do searches through whole EDs right through the eastend and my Bro In Law has been looking for years for them too but they never surface, I was hoping fresh eyes and minds might crack this one! Thanks so far anyway!

[jackthehat]

What was his fathers name and occupation, Dot ?

[craft1948]

What address was the eldest child born at dot?

[dothawkes31]

Stephen Hale, he was a dock labourer born st george in the east, in 1901 he is transcribed by ancestry as Hall (sorry it was Matilda's dad who was the shoemaker) on the 1891 Matilda is recorded by ancestry as Killeybach!

[dothawkes31]

My nan-in-law it is, Rebecca Hale born 4th April 1902 at Silver Lion Court Poplar, that detail is for ever etched in my brain!

[craft1948]

When was Matilda born?

[dothawkes31]

22 august 1879 whitechapel (in fact she was born at George yard buildings where the ripper left one of his victims)

[craft1948]

Sorry dot.....I have checked on Genealogist, Ancestry, and FindMyPast.
FMP has her for 1881, 1891, and 2011.
Of the 3 public trees with her in on Ancestry none of them have the 1901 census attached so obviously they've given up trying to find them as well.

[dothawkes31]

Hi, yes those 3 trees are all in touch with us and we have spoken to 2 of them over the last few years. It's a completely annoying mystery but we all know it can happen. Thanks for looking.

[flicrat]

dothawkes I have every sympathy for you. My problem is I have never been able to find the death of my 2x gr grandmother Susan Groom in Kent. She is there in the 1901 census,gone I think by 1911 though not checked, but I have been unable to find her death, despite searching the bmd index from 1902 to as far as present day. There is no family tradition of a hundred year old relative, so I guess she can't be alive but ....

[dothawkes31]

When was susan born? It may be she remarried you know and had a change of surname