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The old testament
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How old is the old testament, and was it around before Islam
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Nobody can be sure but the Old Testament is usually considered about 3000 years old. It is clear from its contents that it was written before the dawn of human intelligence in the region.
Keyplus will say it is younger than Islam because Islam was the first religion. Muhammed simply wrote down its tenants.
Keyplus will say it is younger than Islam because Islam was the first religion. Muhammed simply wrote down its tenants.
I'm not sure what the phrase "before the dawn of human intelligence" is supposed to indicate, but many scholars believe the Old Testament Book of Job is the writing of greatest antiquity. The discovery of the fragments of Job written in paleo-Hebrew script among the Dead Sea materials seems to indicate an early origin of perhaps 2,000 years BCE.
Some conjecture, again by those who study such things, believe the Book was translated by Moses from hieroglyphs. The support for this conjecture is indicated from the style and construction of sentences apparent even when translated to English. The best evidence extant supports ca. 1600-1800 BCE as the era of Moses...
Certain phrase construction leads the etymologists to suggest Egyptians as the primary source... and then translated to earliest Hebrew by Moses. Torah supports Moses as the author... or at least translator...
I would agree, however that an early date for Quran is spurious... the Prophet of Islam (whose full name was Muhammad Ibne Abdullah) was born in 570 CE and died in 632 CE ... one authoritative source states "...in the year 610 (believed to be the 26th of Ramadan), while in a cave on Mt. Hirah, Muhammad said that the angel Gabriel appeared to him and commanded him to recite (96:1-19). This recitation became the Qur'an..."
Some conjecture, again by those who study such things, believe the Book was translated by Moses from hieroglyphs. The support for this conjecture is indicated from the style and construction of sentences apparent even when translated to English. The best evidence extant supports ca. 1600-1800 BCE as the era of Moses...
Certain phrase construction leads the etymologists to suggest Egyptians as the primary source... and then translated to earliest Hebrew by Moses. Torah supports Moses as the author... or at least translator...
I would agree, however that an early date for Quran is spurious... the Prophet of Islam (whose full name was Muhammad Ibne Abdullah) was born in 570 CE and died in 632 CE ... one authoritative source states "...in the year 610 (believed to be the 26th of Ramadan), while in a cave on Mt. Hirah, Muhammad said that the angel Gabriel appeared to him and commanded him to recite (96:1-19). This recitation became the Qur'an..."
Gabriel is quite the gabber . . . and troublemaker tuh boot.
http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormons4.htm
http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormons4.htm
Yes, it was around long before Islam. Islam just hijacked it.
Good link Mibs. The only thing I can see there that makes any sense is this:
//He's using logic and that's certainly not called for, especially in matters of faith. //
Why is it religion always claims to be the first with revelations?
//"Jesus-Jehovah reveled [sic] himself to our Mexican - American brethren ("'Not white, yea, not delightsome"). He came onto them in the form of Quetzal-coa-tl, the snake which sprouts feathers." ........To this day, Mormons and Central American Indians recognize the god Quetzalcoatl as the Feathered Serpent. //
That implies the Mormons brought the news to the people of Central America - but those people don't need to be told that the god Quetzalcoatl is the Feathered Serpent. He existed long before Joseph Smith.
Good link Mibs. The only thing I can see there that makes any sense is this:
//He's using logic and that's certainly not called for, especially in matters of faith. //
Why is it religion always claims to be the first with revelations?
//"Jesus-Jehovah reveled [sic] himself to our Mexican - American brethren ("'Not white, yea, not delightsome"). He came onto them in the form of Quetzal-coa-tl, the snake which sprouts feathers." ........To this day, Mormons and Central American Indians recognize the god Quetzalcoatl as the Feathered Serpent. //
That implies the Mormons brought the news to the people of Central America - but those people don't need to be told that the god Quetzalcoatl is the Feathered Serpent. He existed long before Joseph Smith.
Beso mentioned me there for few statements. OT is not younger than Quran. It is older. What I said about Islam was that word Islam means “submitting your will to God” and the Muslim is the one who does that. And in that sense every prophet was a Muslim as they submitted their will to God and it is even mentioned in Bible.
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