Disabled Toilet

[lankeela]

My sister went for lunch with friends yesterday and rang to ask if there were facilities for disabled, as her friend is in a wheelchair. They said yes, and when they arrived at the restaurant which had been recently refurbished there was a ramp for access to the restaurant area. After a very nice meal, when they asked about the toilet there was no disabled toilet facility. The husband had to drive his wife to a nearby pub, and buy a drink to she could use their disabled toilet.

Is it law that all establishments should have disabled toilet facilities?

After causing a bit of a stir, the manager knocked £50 off their bill presumably hoping they would not report it or give them a bad review.

[elliemay1]

I found this:
//Businesses that offer food and beverages and have an area of 250 square metres or more must also have a disabled toilet. This is stipulated in Act 104, also known as the Disabled Persons Framework Act.//

[naomi24]

Some places simply don't have the space.

[Peter Pedant]

Some places simply don't have the space.
is not a defence in law..... but I think every one really knew that.

[Peter Pedant]

"There are many forms of disability, and the House of Lords has called for pubs that don't offer disabled toilets to be closed down, encouraging local authorities to refuse to grant or renew licenses to premises that aren't providing accessible washrooms."

there are manty forms of disability - yeah too true, look at some of the posters on AB - ter daaah - sorry sorry joke joke

this to my mind (implies) says there is no such law: or else their lordships wd scream " enforce the law" or orf with their

[Peter Pedant]

heads

[barry1010]

As already stated, small places don't have to provide disabled loos so that is a legal defence

[naomi24]

PP// is not a defence in law.//

According to elliemay1's post, it seems it is.

//.... but I think every one really knew that. //

You didn't.

[Peter Pedant]

it is not straightforrward
the GMC ( yup The General Medical COuncil scourge of all doctors) had disabled facilities - locked (sic)
and I asked for the key and was told
"no you cant have it, as if you have the key others cant use it!"

so I cant use it? yes

did I crouch down and *** on the floor? no I gave them one more chance

[Peter Pedant]

PP// is not a defence in law./
According to elliemay1's post, it seems it i

then it isnt a duty it is a choice ( no thank you I dont have room)

and it also means
Is it law that all establishments should have disabled toilet facilities?
answer - no it isnt

Memo to Naomi - re-read O level text on law

[Peter Pedant]

If there is a duty to supply something to X
then there is a right that X has that can be enforced

Hohfeld - rights imply duties
.
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Newcomb_Hohfeld
oh I read it is a 'no right' see article

[naomi24]

Memo to PP, get a grip. You're meeting yourself coming back as usual.

[THECORBYLOON]

The first post is taken from an Italian website, https://www.kerasan.com/news/tips/disabled-toilets-what-does-the-law-say.html?cookiesacc=1 and the act title is not a UK Act

[Gromit]

If you rang and they said they did had disabled toilets then that is false advertising and you should report that to your local council.

If you had the full facts (that they didn’t have disabled facilities) then you would have not gone there and you would have eaten somewhere else.

[elliemay1]

^ corbyloon @ 12.21
Sorry, I should have checked before posting

[Ellipsis]

> My sister went for lunch with friends yesterday and rang to ask if there were facilities for disabled, as her friend is in a wheelchair. They said yes

That's the big problem - saying there were facilities for disabled facilities, when there wasn't a toilet. Perhaps whoever called should have specifically asked whether they had a disabled toilet, but really ... the restaurant should have said it without having to ask.

[barry1010]

Many Wetherspoons don't have accessible toilets in their huge pubs

[theshedman]

PP, when I first saw your reply to this at 12.02 and just saw Heads I thought you were talking about what they call toilets in the Royal Navy especially as this thread is about toilets.

[retrocop]

//Many Wetherspoons don't have accessible toilets in their huge pubs//

A bone of contention in my local Weatherspoons. There is a disabled toilet on the ground floor at the back of the premises where families with children are encouraged to sit and eat. There are at least 4 disabled signs on the door and had the special Laser lock for disabled key holders. A key was available behind the bar for those who hadn't purchased their own. It is now an open door policy and any one can use the toilet instead of those who are fitter going upstairs to use the conveniences there.
Small children are sent in by their lazy parents unaccompanied . The result is urine over the seat and the floor is awash also. Not fun for wheel chair users with urine over the tyres. Now the staff are not required to hand over the disabled key but are constantly told that the toilet needs swabbing down and cleaning after the abuse. Crazy policy.

[rowanwitch]

They have the not all disabilities get out for that one, I have my own radar key but in the pubs I use most I get the key from behind the bar so no one else can use it while I am using the facilities. I have found a so called disabled toilet with a normal height toilet and no rails, so for me not exactly user friendly... When I questioned it they said it's big enough so you can have someone in there with you to help you... No I want to be independent.
Also found them with only a wheelchair height sink, can't bend that far without pain, I carry cleansing wipes and sanitizer when I am away from home, not ideal but better than risking an embarrassing 'lock up'

Shopping centre ones are often worse as they often double as baby change, and sometime they are even used as a baby feeding space. Get behind a couple of mums with babies and it could be twenty minutes with crossed legs.

[rowanwitch]

Not all disabilities are visible...