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Labour 12 Point Lead, Ukip At Its Most Popular Ever...
... Is now the time for the Conservatives to ditch Cameron?
// Labour has forged a 12-point lead over the Conservatives for the first time in almost a decade, according to a Guardian/ICM poll.
Ed Miliband's party now stands at 41% of the vote, up three points on ICM's January figure, and the Tories are on just 29%, having slipped back four from 33% last month. Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats have sunk two points, to 13%, whereas Ukip has inched up three to 9% – setting a new record for Nigel Farage's anti-European outfit in the Guardian/ICM series.
The Labour lead is the biggest – and the Conservative vote-share the smallest – in the polling series since May 2003, during the brief political bounce for Tony Blair which came between the felling of Saddam Hussein's statue in Baghdad and first stirrings of civil war in Iraq and arguments about dodgy dossiers.
With his party plumbing the sort of depths associated with the second half of the John Major era, David Cameron will be particularly dismayed about the continuing surge in Ukip support. //
// Labour has forged a 12-point lead over the Conservatives for the first time in almost a decade, according to a Guardian/ICM poll.
Ed Miliband's party now stands at 41% of the vote, up three points on ICM's January figure, and the Tories are on just 29%, having slipped back four from 33% last month. Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats have sunk two points, to 13%, whereas Ukip has inched up three to 9% – setting a new record for Nigel Farage's anti-European outfit in the Guardian/ICM series.
The Labour lead is the biggest – and the Conservative vote-share the smallest – in the polling series since May 2003, during the brief political bounce for Tony Blair which came between the felling of Saddam Hussein's statue in Baghdad and first stirrings of civil war in Iraq and arguments about dodgy dossiers.
With his party plumbing the sort of depths associated with the second half of the John Major era, David Cameron will be particularly dismayed about the continuing surge in Ukip support. //
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from one source, the BBC, it's pretty much the same whichever source you use.
ED Milliband
He says he thought long and hard about standing against his older brother, who has insisted "brotherly love will survive".
Positioning himself firmly to the left of David, he has warned the party against retreating into a "New Labour comfort zone" - widely interpreted as a swipe at his older brother.
It is a strategy that has seen him secure heavyweight backing from Britain's biggest trade union leaders. The GMB has even threatened to withdraw funding from the Labour Party if he does not win the contest.
ED Milliband
He says he thought long and hard about standing against his older brother, who has insisted "brotherly love will survive".
Positioning himself firmly to the left of David, he has warned the party against retreating into a "New Labour comfort zone" - widely interpreted as a swipe at his older brother.
It is a strategy that has seen him secure heavyweight backing from Britain's biggest trade union leaders. The GMB has even threatened to withdraw funding from the Labour Party if he does not win the contest.
don't see why cameron was brought into it - if you read the comment
at the end, David was the party choice, but the unions wanted Ed, and that is what they got.
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at the end, David was the party choice, but the unions wanted Ed, and that is what they got.
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i don't think that anyone considered Ed much before he threw his hat into the ring, that David was the front runner by his party, that there still seems to be no thaw between the two, that David would have been a better leader overall. And it obviously was not just spin by the conservatives, without union support Ed wouldn't have been leader. Party politics is a dirty business i agree.
In what conceivable way, Em, does your source material support your view that Ed "stabbed his brother in the back", a comment that you seem to produce here just about every other day?
Both brothers knew full well how the Labour Party electoral system worked before they put themselves forward, but each had a different view as to what the right approach was...Ed more leftwards and David more rightwards. As it happens, the 'system' resulted in Ed's win.
In exactly the same way, Cameron is now Prime Minister simply and solely because of the way the whole country's electoral system works. Did he stab anyone in the back? Of course he didn't, so isn't it time for you to stop talking such nonsense!
Both brothers knew full well how the Labour Party electoral system worked before they put themselves forward, but each had a different view as to what the right approach was...Ed more leftwards and David more rightwards. As it happens, the 'system' resulted in Ed's win.
In exactly the same way, Cameron is now Prime Minister simply and solely because of the way the whole country's electoral system works. Did he stab anyone in the back? Of course he didn't, so isn't it time for you to stop talking such nonsense!
Everything doesn't have to be taken literally, Em; my use of the words "just about every other day" was done for literary effect. That is, as an expression of what I felt about your continual - and obviously wrong - overuse of the 'stabbing' claim.
Obviously, I have no idea what post Ed would offer his brother should he become PM one day or whether David would accept it.
Obviously, I have no idea what post Ed would offer his brother should he become PM one day or whether David would accept it.
Politics is a nasty business. They're either in it for themselves, or they're starry eyed idealists - the most dangerous sort. None of them are in it because they wish to serve the people. They have to be dragged, kicking & screaming, to doing what the people want. Look at the referendum promise, which Cameron had to make to pull the carpet from under Ukip, and to wrong foot Millipede.
The Labour party has always had "Tax and Spend" as its policy. Twice in my lifetime, it's maxed out the credit card and left the mess for the Tories.
The Tories believe in letting "market forces" operate, but are eternally shutting stable doors after their legislation goes wrong.
Let's dump the lot and elect taxi drivers and grannies to run the country.
The Labour party has always had "Tax and Spend" as its policy. Twice in my lifetime, it's maxed out the credit card and left the mess for the Tories.
The Tories believe in letting "market forces" operate, but are eternally shutting stable doors after their legislation goes wrong.
Let's dump the lot and elect taxi drivers and grannies to run the country.
Anyone who becomes a professional politician is going to be ambitious and want to be successful. They do not join to be under their ing's shadow.
David was a minister in the last Labour Government that the country had rejected. David was a Blair/Brownite and ed thought the Labour Party needed to change. And under the Party's bizarre election process he won the day.
He did not stab his brother in the back, David is just a bad loser and should stop sulking.
Just because they are brothers does not mean he should automatically have to offer his brother a job, that should be on merit. There are many Brown/Blairites who do not deserve another chance, and David is rapidly showing an immature side which is pushing him into that camp.
Cameron was brought into this question because the poll is obviously bad news for him. You would expect Labour to be doing well, but the strong UKiP showing means many right wing voters are rejecting the Conservative Party as well. And the buck for that stops at Cameron.
David was a minister in the last Labour Government that the country had rejected. David was a Blair/Brownite and ed thought the Labour Party needed to change. And under the Party's bizarre election process he won the day.
He did not stab his brother in the back, David is just a bad loser and should stop sulking.
Just because they are brothers does not mean he should automatically have to offer his brother a job, that should be on merit. There are many Brown/Blairites who do not deserve another chance, and David is rapidly showing an immature side which is pushing him into that camp.
Cameron was brought into this question because the poll is obviously bad news for him. You would expect Labour to be doing well, but the strong UKiP showing means many right wing voters are rejecting the Conservative Party as well. And the buck for that stops at Cameron.
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