Nhs Coping Y/n ?

[Bigbee698]

Is the NHS coping especially as we are allowing thousands of people in to this very overcrowded island. So are the NHS coping yes or no?

[Quoi]

No but then the NHS was never intended to cope with the current situation.

[ChillDoubt]

No, we are not coping and I'd like to see just how much we are spending on interpreters because we are using them far more frequently where I work.
One told us she is on £90 an hour, so the mind boggles as to how much is spent in larger cities.

[VHG]

I believe the NHS is the largest employer in Europe so it is huge organization

And I am sure much of the NHS is coping very well, and dealing with patients on a day to day process, with no problems at all.

But we never hear about them.

We only hear about the failing hospitals, the waiting time in some A&Es, the trusts who are in debt and so on.

But I am sure much of the NHS is fine.

[arwyn]

No.

[Peter Pedant]

Yes it is coping

No the A+ E queues are NOT related to immigration

and yes the present mess is from really cr+p management
Fr'instance the fella in charge of Stafford and all the dea people there later became head of the NHS. He of course says there is no connection.

[EDDIE51]

Yes

[Zeuhl]

Last time I was in A&E

All of us in the Waiting Area seemed to be 'indigenous'

Quite a few of the Doctors and Nurses seemed to be immigrants

[EDDIE51]

Anyone who thinks the NHS is not coping needs to go and see what happens in somewhere like the USA if you do not have health insurance to go private.

[boxtops]

yes, considering it's funded from public monies and the need for it has grown enormously since 1948. We still get free care at the point of delivery. Go to another country if you want to see healthcare worse than ours.

Immigration's got little to do with it - and you can't tell by the colour of people in A&E whether they are illegal immigrants or coloured British nationals with every right to use the NHS from their taxes.

[boxtops]

..and the NHS really wouldn't cope without importing doctors and nurses from overseas. Our local university has just been to the Philippines on a recruiting drive for nurse training.

[Everhelpful]

I think VHG is spot-on with his assessment,I couldn't have put it better myself. Speaking Personally,I have never had any bother whatsoever regarding Treatment,Waiting Times or access to my GP.

[woofgang]

Lucky you Everhelpful, our local General Hospital is filthy and I wouldn't take someone else's rubber duck to the A and E. It has been like this for the 30 odd years that I have lived here.

[Peter Pedant]

Oh God the last time I was in A+E
me: hello, I am pyrexial and neutropenic - my temperature is 38.5'C
them: what's pyrexial ?
me; the onco ward has rung and told you to expect me. Here is my red book
them no they didnt and what's a red book ?
me: but they did ring didnt they ?
them yes
me and youre not expecting me ?
them; sit over there please. [They disappear and I hear Them asking; wots vis ven ? ]
I sit down, and blearily look at bonny eight week child chirping in the kids area.
Jet propelled nurse comes out and says you'd better come through
Father of bonny kid: me n Amy 've been here long before him. wots goin on ven ?
me: they think I'm gonna die.....
Amy carries on chirping......

Next: my temperature goes up to 40'C, the cas officer says cheerfully, we dont think you are infected, and I squeal: Christ you're not gonna discharge me are you ?

[glenbar]

Read the article written by a surgeon in todays Mail.. Only tells us what we suspected I know but at least it comes straight from the horses mouth.

[woofgang]

PP, your experience mirrors mine.

[ChillDoubt]

So, we're coping are we?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-22890830

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22896184

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-22270813

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22135109

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-21767501

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16868007

This is from the last link, to which I alluded in my earlier post:

Spending on interpreters at most hospitals in Yorkshire has rocketed in the past five years, according to figures obtained by the BBC.

A Freedom of Information request by BBC Look North shows that all but two of the region's 12 hospital trusts saw increases in expenditure on interpreters ranging from 31% to 930% between 2007-08 and 2010-11.

More than £9.4m was spent in total across Yorkshire, with Leeds Hospitals, one of the biggest trusts in the country, accounting for £3.4m.

The research also shows that where the greatest demand from patients used to be for help with south Asian languages, such as Urdu, there is now a growing demand for Eastern European languages, such as Polish and Slovak.


If we're coping, it's by the skin of our teeth.

[jno]

as Zeuhl and boxtops say, it seems to be immigration that's keeping the NHS going.

There aren't anough GPs in my area and it can take more than a week to get an appointment, but there's a walk-in centre near us for anything urgent. (I think this is wrong, You ought to be able to see your GP, not a walk-in doctor.) But I've never had trouble on the few occasions I've been to A&E.

And while it's perfectly possible to find examples of medical mishaps, millions of people are treated well and don't make the papers.

[woofgang]

indeed jno, but with us, its the whole local hospital that is filthy (been in many areas, including high dependency) and We went to A and E more than once and always experienced the same terrible level of care in the triage area and the same third world circumstances in the actual A and E area.

[jno]

I don't know how the admin politics of the NHS works, but is that something that is to be taken up at local level, or a symptom of a national problem? As it differes from the problem in my area.

[woofgang]

I think that its symptomatic of a national control problem as the hospital is a Foundation Trust and therefore there is nothing between it and the Department of Health.
The same Trust provides the smear services around here and I have also had to complain to the national Screening program when i was informed that I would have to wait for six months for smear test results.