Sacked Teacher

[fbg40]

Hi
Any thoughts on the teacher that was sacked for "restraining" a 16 year old youth who had thrown a milk shake into the teacher's face and was threatening(allegedly) to throw a chair as well ? The boy made no complaint nor did his parents yet the Headmaster and Governors decided to sack him as they thought he went too far !! Teachers have no chance these days. If I had done this when I was 16 (a very long time ago !!) I would have had the cane and probably been expelled.
FBG40

[Octavius]

'The witness statements from Mr Cox's colleagues indicated that his behaviour had been inappropriate and excessive'

Seems everyone agreed with the ruling. Not much more to say really.

[Thatcherite]

Our schools are run by apologists for unruly thugs these days. The Liberals give more weight to the rights of scum that they do to the rights of the majority of kids trying to get some sort of education in between the antics of these young asbo apprentices. Sad very sad.

[Baldric]

Hi fbg, do you have a link? I know nothing about it.

[Octavius]

"Our schools are run by apologists for unruly thugs these days"

Well in this case they stood up against the unruly thug and sacked him.

[Mamyalynne]

http://www.dailymail....tml?ito=feeds-newsxml

[fbg40]

Octavius - are you condoning the boy's actions ?
Thatcherite - in total agreement with you.
FBG40

[ummmm]

Thatcherite, do you have any kids in school?

[fbg40]

Baldric - http://www.dailymail....tml?ito=feeds-newsxml

[jake-the-peg]

Two different ruling panels of governors at Bemrose School, whose members included parents and trade union members, were unanimous in their belief that Mr Cox's actions went far beyond restraining the pupil

Trust the Trotskyite Unions to be at the bottom of all this eh Geezer?

[MustangLady]

I think it is sad that kids have no respect these days. All the control has been taken away from Teachers, Police and Parents... like you, when I was young I was actually scared of the repercussions if I were to dis-respect my teachers or police, not that I ever did. My parents were not strict but I knew I would be punished and it hurt! Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in corporal punishment or beating children etc, but when confronted with a situation like the teacher had, there should be each case looked into and dealt with sensibly without punishing the victim. How would each of you have dealt with it? I'd have probably done the same. There should be suitable punishments where the kids have respect. Sorry to say I have no idea what would be suitable... anyone have any solutions here?

[Thatcherite]

Yes I have a kid at school, I am indeed fortunate that my kid got into grammar school. My heart goes out to the parents and indeed most of the kids trying to get an education in the standard comps. Over the last 40 years or so any form of control the staff had has been removed so all they can do is expell and often now they can't even do that because time and again a load of wierd beard governors will reverse the process. I'd not advise anyone to go into teaching these days.

[ummmm]

Please don't talk for all children. The majority of parents still bring their children up to have respect. There will, and always has been, a few that don't. These few get into the papers.

[jake-the-peg]

I think the point is you're just getting your opinion from this story.

They've showed a stock picture of a milkshake in a glass in case you don't know what one looks like - or might think that it was in a carton (which I suspect it was - schools don't like glasses they get broken)

And you've not seen the CCVT footage which the panels have and they all support the school.

All in all I'm more likely to trust those deciding on evidence than those going on prejudice and newspaper reports

[factor-fiction]

Teachers have a very difficult job and often to put up with being shoved and having things thrown at them. They have to be able to defuse situations and not use unnecessary force. I think his colleagues and union would have defended him better if he was blameless. I got the impression he 'lost it' and held on to the boy longer than was necessary. He should have sent a pupil to get help.

[ummmm]

Thatcherite - we don't have grammar and comp schools where I live.

My children attend the same school I attended. It is far stricter now than it was then.

[Octavius]

"How would each of you have dealt with it?"

As Jake says, there is very little for us to go on in this instance. I would expect a teacher of 13 years to be familiar with the techniques and methods for dealing with this, and familiar with his school policies on such matters.

[Mosaic]

Can I introduce a reasoned alternative instead of provoking either/or answers?
Over the past few decades we have seen teachers repeatedly being dissed for not teaching properly / hard enough / traditionally enough / or not innovating...
one of the positives is that assistants who are not paid as teachers are now employed to do stuff like displays and other non-teaching tasks.
However for some reason teachers are still expected to act as general security staff around schools. Especially in secondary schools, this is a hiding to nothing. Our litigious society ensures that the ones most likely to be r-soles are the ones who 'know their rights'.
Secondary schools especially should employ dedicated non-teaching staff to ensure standards of behaviour are met around school premises.
Teachers should be allowed to teach. Pupils who kick off in lessons should be removed and dealt with by dedicated behavioural staff.
No schools do this. BTW it's normal practice on the continent.
Also normal in France and Germany is the fact that kids are not allowed to progress with their peers if they repeatedly fail standard tests. This motivates kids to keep up, seek help if struggling or drop out if they want to not work.
The parents of many of these troubled young people do not want them round the house all day - schools in England provide a no-questions-asked childminding service without enforcing anything in return.

Specifically with this school, the Head states 'children can't misbehave here because or standards are improving'.....this is weasle-wording that would make a jesuit blush. Take a look at their league table scores - four fifths of their pupils leave without decent qualifications. I suggest plenty of room for misbehaviour there.

Sadly, the bloke should not have touched the kid, and so put himself in the wrong. I feel very sorry for him and the hundreds who endure the vileness of feral youths without the intelligent support of the organisations they work for.

[anotheoldgit]

I entered a thread regarding this in September, yes it is very sad that this teachers career is now ruined for good, just because of a disruptive pupil, what kind of message does this give out?

http://www.theanswerb.../Question1169944.html

[bazwillrun]

if the oik threw a milkshake in his face he should have grabbed him and given him a good slap, he might think twice about doing it again to a teacher.

But no the teacher loses his job and the oik can do it again with impunity safe in the knowledge theres not much can be done about him.

"aggressively pinning the 16-year-old's arms to his sides"
I dont see any problem with that, sounds like the witnesses are another bunch of politically correct fanatics scared of their own shadows that are running our schools.

and people wonder how comes we turn out so much uneducated junk from our schools..well this case is part of your answer

[youngmafbog]

And we see some of the liberal hand wringers on here don't we Jake.

Regardless of this particular case, teachers are on a hiding to nothing. Damned if they do Damned if they dont.

Oh, and expected by the lilley livered liberals to have things thrown at them (including fists) and just turn the other cheek.

Why do we have troubles in our schools and on the strrets, just look at liberal policy for your answer.