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thanks buildersmate, Im aware that most employers only want to take on youngsters (i found this out after I qualified in plumbing), the outcome of any electrical training (self employed being the main probability) is not the main answer Im looking for, Im asking about the types of training, mainly regarding the 'fast track' or 2+ years at night school 2 evenings a week and if anybody has any experience of the fast track courses. When I was working towards my plumbing qualifications the 'fast track' courses were scoffed at by my tutors, however it turned out that they were not too honest about some things either!! Hopefully someone out there in Answerbank Land may have had (or know of someone who has) experience with the 'fast track' way of learning. Many thanks in advance.