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Michael Foale was born in Britain to a British father and American mother and subsequently raised and educated here, including graduating from Cambridge. He has dual British/American nationality and was trained as an astronaut. As a result, he has been in space multiple times since the early 1990s, including a period as Commander of the International Space Station.
How is it, then, that Tim Peake, is being billed as "the first British man" to do such things? As I understand it, dual nationality means just that...one has BOTH and thus Michael Foale is British. I'm not trying to demean Tim Peake, who is obviously a brave man and good luck to him. I simply don't understand why he is deemed to be "first".
How is it, then, that Tim Peake, is being billed as "the first British man" to do such things? As I understand it, dual nationality means just that...one has BOTH and thus Michael Foale is British. I'm not trying to demean Tim Peake, who is obviously a brave man and good luck to him. I simply don't understand why he is deemed to be "first".
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Neither do I.
He's the first Briton on the International Space Station not also to have another passport I suppose. Scraping the barrel a bit I think, but it may also be that nowadays the Baikonur cosmodrome is more open than in the days of Foale, and certainly than the days of Sharman and Mir ...
So they can do nice heartwarming pieces from the launch site to make it more "real"
He's the first Briton on the International Space Station not also to have another passport I suppose. Scraping the barrel a bit I think, but it may also be that nowadays the Baikonur cosmodrome is more open than in the days of Foale, and certainly than the days of Sharman and Mir ...
So they can do nice heartwarming pieces from the launch site to make it more "real"
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Does it really matter?
It's the same with the first black this the first black that, and as in this case the first Blackman in space.
If one googles The first Blackman in space, one is confronted with the first black/American (1983) also the first black Cuban National (1980) and the first black/African (2015).
It's the same with the first black this the first black that, and as in this case the first Blackman in space.
If one googles The first Blackman in space, one is confronted with the first black/American (1983) also the first black Cuban National (1980) and the first black/African (2015).
Andy Murray was the first British man to win the Wimbledon singles title since Fred Perry did so in 1936 and a member of the British team to win the Davis Cup title for the first time since the same year.
These are two examples of "firsts since" rather than "firsts ever", as Ichkeria has pointed out.
In terms of my question, Foale was the "first Brit male ever" and Peake is "the first Brit male since".
Perhaps I'm a bit slow today, TTT, but I don't get the Neil Armstrong joke...assuming it was a joke!
These are two examples of "firsts since" rather than "firsts ever", as Ichkeria has pointed out.
In terms of my question, Foale was the "first Brit male ever" and Peake is "the first Brit male since".
Perhaps I'm a bit slow today, TTT, but I don't get the Neil Armstrong joke...assuming it was a joke!
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/// Anotheoldgit, you appear, as ever, to have missed the point...namely, the difference between apples and pears, as it is usually decribed.
Americans, Cubans and whoever are all different nationalities, whereas Foale and Peake are both
British. ///
I think it is you who has missed the point, I never said that American, Cuban, and Africans were not nationalities, it was the inclusion of the prefix black that I was referring to, which you conveniently chose to ignore.
/// Anotheoldgit, you appear, as ever, to have missed the point...namely, the difference between apples and pears, as it is usually decribed.
Americans, Cubans and whoever are all different nationalities, whereas Foale and Peake are both
British. ///
I think it is you who has missed the point, I never said that American, Cuban, and Africans were not nationalities, it was the inclusion of the prefix black that I was referring to, which you conveniently chose to ignore.
Cloverjo, I'd be perfectly happy if everyone claimed "Tim Peake is the first (male astronaut headed for the ISS) to wear the British flag on his sleeve." But they don't, do they? I might be the first man to swim the Channel wearing a shark suit, but that would never qualify me as being the first man to swim the Channel. One's clothing is of no consequence, in other words.
If British is half of one's dual nationality status...whether the other half is Australian, French, Egyptian or whatever...one is British. It might sound anomalous, but one is 'wholly' either part or, if you prefer, both parts separately.
Whatever...thank you all for your responses.
If British is half of one's dual nationality status...whether the other half is Australian, French, Egyptian or whatever...one is British. It might sound anomalous, but one is 'wholly' either part or, if you prefer, both parts separately.
Whatever...thank you all for your responses.
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