UNIVERSITY FEES

[mollykins]

They've finally decided to cap the limit at £9000 a year!!!!!!!!! How are students going to afford this????????

[ummmm]

They will have to make sure they actually take worth while courses and get a good job at the end of their studies.

[China Doll]

I worked while studying.

[mollykins]

But the government are cutting jobs in the public sector which will also mean there will be redundancies in the private sector so there'll be less jobs for the graduates.

I can't remember the figure but at the the moment there are more unemployed uni graduates than ever before, and that percentage will just rise.

[ummmm]

Molly....things might have changed by the time you get through Uni...

Unemployed uni graduates...what kind of degree do they have? Bet there are loads of media and such like.

[CailinDeas]

Unfortunately, I live near a University - 13,000 students. Parties and alcohol fuelled anti social revels are a nightly occurence. How do they afford it?

[jaydah]

http://www.google.co....15&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0

We all do without what we cant afford.

[mollykins]

If I fail a year of sixth form and have to do year 14, I don't think i'd have to pay (well not all of it at least) because my dad would be retired and mum probably won't have a job.

But some unis won't accept people who did resits. Plus I don't think i could physically bring myself to fail tests that important on purpose.

[LoftyLottie]

They will get loans which they will then pay back when they have employment and a reasonable salary. This is not unusual in other countries I believe. If you want something badly enough then you will not be deterred by having to pay for it. It will sort the wheat out from the chaff in my opinion and only those who really want to go to Uni and achieve good results will actually apply.

Uni students have always worked and played hard. The trouble is now that many of them just want to play hard. They perhaps won't feel like that if they have to pay back their fees.

Nothing in life worth having comes without a price.

[mollykins]

Is what my mum told me about if I was in the year group below or i had to do year 14, I would get my tuition paid for me because dad would be retired and she is unlikely to be employed correct?

[jaydah]

earn an income and you can afford this, at any time of your life :

http://www.open.ac.uk/

[jake-the-peg]

Well they're obviously going to carry debts through into the rest of their lives!

I love Spocks idea of worthless degrees.

Media studies - yes good idea let's make the future television program makers, magazine editors etc. all do degrees in engineering!

Psycology - I don't understand that therefore it must be worthless - certainly not of use to people in advertising for example!

Actually there's another point here

There's a Cap of 9,000 but we don't know which Universities will charge this and which will charge lesser amounts.

Students selecting Universities now are being asked to make a choice not knowing how much they will have to pay!

Still, nice to reflect that Eton and Harrow are still charities eh?

[jaydah]

Where did you get that Jake ?

[LoftyLottie]

Unfortunately, we most of us have to carry debts for our life if we want something badly enough, i.e. a nice home, a nice car and now a nice education. The country is broke we can't afford to dole out money to students any more. They are not being asked to fork it out up front and they won't be paying it back until they reach a salary of £21,000 plus and then they will have a very good rate of interest.

[mollykins]

But if you think about it, uni graduates earn more money on average which means they'll pay more tax, but if less people go to uni because they can't afford it, the government will get less taxes.

[jake-the-peg]

What Eton and Harrow being charities?

Harrow
http://www.harrowschool.org.uk/terms.aspx
registered charity number 310033

Eton
http://www.etoncollege.com/waysofgiving.aspx
Eton's exempt charity number is X6839

[jaydah]

Eton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_College

Harrow
http://www.harrowschool.org.uk/terms.aspx

Some poor pupils are educated free & maintain charity status for schools. All charities charge for their income but their taxable rates are void.

[LoftyLottie]

But Molly, they can afford it if they get a loan. A lot of people, I grant you, will not want to burden themselves with a loan and that is their choice. But if something is worthwhile you will have to accept the bad along with the good. I have known students who run up literally thousands in debts because of their lifestyle, others have scraped by and lived wisely. Basically, unless these fees are charged the Universities will not survive as they are now and will have to reduce staff numbers and drop their standards.

Universities who are charging the higher rates are also being asked to give grants for the poor students anyway.

Will these fees make you any less keen to go to University Molly? In the long run if you go you will be the winner with a better chance of a good job and a good future. The loan will seem like chicken feed.

[craft1948]

I remember attending my daughter's graduation and the guest speaker was some big bod from I think Tarmac UK. In his speech he apologised to the graduates saying it was possibly the worst time in history for them to find a job suitable for their degrees.
My daughter worked part-time at Tesco whilst she was a student, and after graduation she took any job going. It took her 5 years to get a job she actually wanted, and which made use of her language skills, but she still managed to pay off her student debt before she was 30.

[paddywak]

Molly, one of the governments largest sources of income is the duty on tabbaco but its not stopped them doing every thing possible to stop people smoking. They wont be bothered about the income tax they don't get from a relatively small group of people