What schemes are there to help victims

[Thunderchild]

I won't go into too much detail as this could become a slightly long story. Basically my sister is being targeted by people in her street. After complaining about excessive noise from the neighbours, first her front wall was pushed over then mud was thrown at her windows and now her car has been damaged. She is 27 and lives on her own and now is rather scared about living there. Are there any schemes that councils or police run to help people in this situation move out. I think if she stays there she will go nuts, and this is getting very expensive and no insurance does not pay for it because when you can't afford over the top insurance there is an excess to pay and they never do enough damage to make it worthwhile in one claim. So she must move as soon as possible but cannot afford to do so and by the time she's able to maybe her house will be made worthless. The police are not exactly helpful granted by don't know who it is (or that's the official version) but this cannot go on. They have said they will now take it more seriously as her car has been damaged, personally I can't see what they can do as I know they don't have the resources. The easiest way is that she moved out as soon as possible but she cannot afford it and it would not happen quickly enough if she were to do it alone.

[sherrardk]

To be fair, complaining only seems to have made things worse for your sister, maybe being 'cowardly' is the best way forward.

[Thunderchild]

I'm sure you know the answer to that, there is no proof of who it is and there never will be, I don't know how they found it was my sister that complained, I'd bet the poice were stupid enough to tell her but they drew the obvious conclusion. They will never get caught and so the only way is my sister moves out. My sister cannot always park in front of her house so as soon as the camera goes up and she has to park up the road they will take to the car. I have nothing against benefit claimants per se, I was one once and despite not having any qualifications I got a job, and I'm climbing in the company despite doing all of my schooling abroad and having no proof of it. I know work is hard but some people make a habbit of not finding work and then get bored........

[Thunderchild]

sherrardk or whatever your name is. Yes that is why things are the way they are. If other people are having problems and they ALL complain the authorities HAVE to do something.

Topically I heared about new laws coming out: FIVE people have to make a complaint before something happens ! yea right, fat lot of use that will be

[Thunderchild]

my sister is not exactly the only one in this situation

[Thunderchild]

my car was also damaged, fortunately it was only a crack in a wing mirror and to be honest it could have been kids on bikes but somehow I think not

[sherrardk]

No, pretty sure it's sherrardk (it's on the labels sewn into my clothes). Where does it say that if everyone complains the authorities have to do something?

[Thunderchild]

if people spoke out there would be "more to go on" the man down the street despite admitting to have seen them refused to offer any further information. He is also one of the assholes that wants to blame the old occupants associates as it gets anyone off the hook from having to admit the problem is closer and they can identify them. The other neighbour (not attached) also came out with the same BS story

[sherrardk]

Can't help thinking that keeping your gob shut is a good option in this situation.

[bednobs]

if as you say, your sister will be bankrupt otherwise, then considerations of what she's going to do with her furniture seem to pale into insignificance - she'll have to do something with her furniture when her house is repossessed.
Ypur sister will only have to look at the CCTV if something happens - it's not like she'll be having to look at hours of footage every day. Despite the quality or otherwise of pictures, the people doing the damage wont know they can't be identified. Also, i can't see how she is being targetted if things are happening to other people like you say

[Thunderchild]

My sister seems to have a specific problem and it seems to be worse. We don't know anything about the burnt out cars (why it happened etc).

Unfortunately when one has to drive 25 miles to work and get there at 6:30 am not being able to sleep at night for the noise going on next door is not an option. The other thing is that there definitely was a row going on and she has two very young kids. Again my sisters mistake for CARING !!!

These people seem to know what they are doing, and if they can't be identified on CCTV they will know it well,

If my sister goes the standard route of putting the house up for sale she still has to wait till it is sold hoping that they will not damage it while it is up for sale making it clear to a buyer that there is trouble and changing their mind about buying it, this is not just about furniture but a whole new branch of trouble including the upheaval, just moving is not that simple. She is being watched, the very day the fence went up they damaged the car, I had infact I advised her not to replace it with anything but she is stubborn. Personally I would have left the wall sprawled all over the pavement and not even moved it.

We have a friend that used to live a few doors down, they moved out because of problems but they could afford it, infact they now rent the house out. Unfortunately she did not know my sister was moving there.

[ojread2]

Do you mean the next door neighbour has 2 young children?

You say other neighbours are affected, then get them all together and complain
Where these 'new rules' where by 5 people have to complain before anything is done set out? Anti social behaviour must be dealt with, be it one person or 5 complaining about it
I actually had a letter myself yesterday about this from my HA - it is being made EASIER to get something done about neighbours who are like the ones you describe

You still appear to be putting boundaries and finding excuses why something cant be done in front of every piece of advice given here, so it's either bad or liveable with, not both
It doesn't matter whether anti social types are working or not, they'll still be ar**h**es

I'm bowing out because I dont think you're listening

[sherrardk]

Is there anything that isn't a problem? Cars being burnt out, rowing neighbours, getting up early for work, etc, etc.

[bednobs]

well the great thing about advice is that you can take or leave it. I can't really see if there are all these barriers and obstacles to moving or selling, how having a scheme that you asked about would help all that much - it would only eliminate one of the problems but the others would remain, she would still have to find somewhere else, do something with her furniture, risk the house being targeted because it's up for sale, not be able to afford something equivalent and so on and so on.
it's spectacularly crappy for her that the neighbours are ***, don't get me wrong i feel very very sorry for her. She shouldn't have to put up with feeling scared in her own home. If things are as bad as you suggest, the only thing to do is put her up for a while while she sells

[joko]

i was going to offer some advice but i dont think i'll bother because frankly your rude and obnoxious responses to people who are trying to help have disgusted me.
people here are not obliged to help you and owe you nothing.

frankly if your sister is anything like the attitude you have displayed here then i am not surprised shes fallen out with her neighbours.

basically, you want free money from somewhere to help her move - well there is none so i suggest you listen to some of the advice because they are the only options you have

[Thunderchild]

Actually all the advice I've had is keep quite and lump it and let the neighbor kick off whenever she feels the need.

Like I said it has already been thought of that my sisters moves back in with my dad, so your just repeating our own suggestions. this thread has actually got me know where except being told we should have to put up with these problems and keep quite. like I ALREADY said the other neighbours will do nothing, because they are just like you lot !

Over and out !

[Thunderchild]

I'm sorry for not being POLITICALLY CORRECT unfortunately that is half of what got us in all this mess in the first place. Then again being an armchair expert is very easy and it seems a pass time around here. Whenever I come on here it ends the same way, I end up being in the wrong for having the problem.......

[boxtops]

Here's the proposal for the new law about 5 people reporting something then action will be taken http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18155579

[NOX]

Stop being irky with people and stop putting objections and obstacles in the way of your sister getting a solution.
She wants to move, so move- make it happen, DO something for yourselves instaead of whining that you can't, you don't have the money etc etc etc.
contact a letting agent, and get the house let, once the let is arranged she will have a steqady income from the house to find something elsewhere. don't tell me you won't be able to let it because you will, and failing all else you can contact the LHA and they will find her a tenant. That frees your sister up somewhat to find something else, even if it's on a campsite for a few weeks to save her sanity. It'll cost you £10 per week to rent a garage to store her stuff and about £80 for the hire of a van for the day- or if she doesn't like her furniture rent it furnished.
We've all been in difficult situaitons, but you have to DO something to get out of them not just moan.

[ojread2]

"Actually all the advice I've had is keep quite and lump it and let the neighbor kick off whenever she feels the need."

Then go back and re-read it all. No where did anyone say put up or shut up

You also need to read the blurb at the top of this forum heading - it does advise the advice given here is should not be taken as gospel but if you really think armchair experts are crap, then why post your question in the first place?

There is a name for people like you, but I'd get banned for using it so I will again say, I am bowing out of this and this really is my last word for you

[Thunderchild]

I have suggested to my sister that she rents it. And when I say there is no money I mean exactly that, that is why we both have some of the cheapest houses on the market because that is really all we can afford, I am quite happy with ex council houses and don't see why thwy are stigmatized because they are some of the most solid houses ever built, unfortunately the neighborhoods that they attract seem to be the issue. She lives in her overdraft ! She will need to raise money for another deposit unless of course already owning a house gets her a better deal with another mortgage, then again she is not brilliant with money. She is already looking around but like I say when you buy a house that is at the bottom of the market you don't have much maneuvering room. My experience is that moving costs a couple of thousand pounds to move in by the time you finish with fees and doing repairs to the new house.

The police have been round again, we spent all day waiting in because they cancelled an appointment 10 minutes before it was about to happen and promised to come later. They are going to give her a camera that has a memory card in it so it is all outside and vulnerable to damage, personally I think it will be smashed because once the destroy the camera that contains the video (dumb idea for a security camera - a bit like having a lock on your door but leaving the key in it). She also has to put the camera up herself or rather pay for an electrician to do it. Luckily as an electronics technician I can do the wiring and save the cash (although I'm not supposed to). I'm also thinking of setting up a mic to record what goes on. If the camera is damaged but we get them on audio hopefully naming each other we might have them (and don't go telling me that recording is illegal because i know and don't care at this stage). They can't get a camera in because the guy that can authorize it is on holiday which is pathetic because her record speaks for itself. Personally I am having hilarious visions of a bumbling constable going down to maplins (otherwise known as craplins to us hobbyists) and trying to work out what to buy her......

Considering this already has some history the two officers that came round were pretty pathetic, they tried to make out that the damage to the car was an attempted theft which we all know is botox, it was damage done to cripple the car. They admitted to not even knowing who the neighbour is and who the boyfriend might be so have done no "homework". Personally I am not one bit reassured by them but i suppose we have to play ball with them. The only concession we have is that they too now believe that this is targeted specifically at my sister and not to do with the ex drug dealing home owner like all the neighbours try to claim so that they too do not become targets.