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Help Needed Please! My 19 Year Old Student Son Has Recently Had An On The Spot Fine
for weeing in public, of £90.
On Saturday evening, he got another fine of £90, and spent the night in a cell for being drunk and disorderly on an evening out celebrating an event!!
I am concerned as a mother, that this will give him a criminal record. He is at university, studying a four year Maths degree, and would like to be an accountant or something similar, when he leaves. Therefore, he can't really afford to get a criminal record!!
Can you please advice me on this all the experts out there!
Many thanks for listening xxx
On Saturday evening, he got another fine of £90, and spent the night in a cell for being drunk and disorderly on an evening out celebrating an event!!
I am concerned as a mother, that this will give him a criminal record. He is at university, studying a four year Maths degree, and would like to be an accountant or something similar, when he leaves. Therefore, he can't really afford to get a criminal record!!
Can you please advice me on this all the experts out there!
Many thanks for listening xxx
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From a police forum, answering the same question:
"The Home Office website says this about fixed penalties:
Payment of a penalty involves no admission of guilt or record of criminal conviction, though the alleged offender has the right to opt for trial by court and risk conviction. Failure to pay the penalty or opt for trial by court may lead to a fine equivalent to one and a half times the amount of the penalty being imposed on the defaulter."
A fixed penalty is not a criminal conviction so doesn't need to be declared and won't show on a CRB check.
"The Home Office website says this about fixed penalties:
Payment of a penalty involves no admission of guilt or record of criminal conviction, though the alleged offender has the right to opt for trial by court and risk conviction. Failure to pay the penalty or opt for trial by court may lead to a fine equivalent to one and a half times the amount of the penalty being imposed on the defaulter."
A fixed penalty is not a criminal conviction so doesn't need to be declared and won't show on a CRB check.
I presume has been given a PND (penalty notice for disorder) When paying penalty notices for disorder, no admission of guilt is required. Paying the PND involves neither an official finding nor an acceptance of guilt and discharges all liability to conviction for the offence. PNDs for recordable offences are recorded on the Police National Computer however and may be disclosed on an Enhanced Criminal Records Disclosure issued by the Criminal Records Bureau, if it is concluded that the behaviour leading to the PND was relevant to the matter at hand, for example the applicant’s suitability to work with children. However, the mere fact that a PND has been issued would not make it relevant.
PNDs are generally issued to first-time offenders with no previous record. PNDs do not constitute a criminal record; they are non-conviction information and treated as intelligence.
PNDs are generally issued to first-time offenders with no previous record. PNDs do not constitute a criminal record; they are non-conviction information and treated as intelligence.
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There's an explanation here
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Broadly, it looks as if he'll be okay, but he might need to mend his ways.
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Broadly, it looks as if he'll be okay, but he might need to mend his ways.
Not the crime of the century is it?
Thatsmethatis - Agree entirely. Got collared myself years ago walking home at 2:00 a.m. Hid behind some bushes out of sight of anyone but unfortunately a copper was parked up over the road and saw me acting "furtively". He read me the riot act but let me go on my way.
Thatsmethatis - Agree entirely. Got collared myself years ago walking home at 2:00 a.m. Hid behind some bushes out of sight of anyone but unfortunately a copper was parked up over the road and saw me acting "furtively". He read me the riot act but let me go on my way.
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