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Living in a Caravan on my own land
I have recently sold my house and have taken a touring caravan to a field I own that has been in my family for many years. On the land are farm buildings where I have been storing some furniture etc for many years.
I intend to obtain planning permisson for the farm building to be converted into a house whilst I live in the Caravan.
The council have now advised me to leave the land within 28 days and remove all of my possessions from the buildings.
The buildings are my own and so is the land.
The caravan is out of sight of any other building so cannot cause an eyesore and is also a touring caravan not a static version.
Is there anything I can do to stop or avoid this unfair action. Thanks in advance.
I intend to obtain planning permisson for the farm building to be converted into a house whilst I live in the Caravan.
The council have now advised me to leave the land within 28 days and remove all of my possessions from the buildings.
The buildings are my own and so is the land.
The caravan is out of sight of any other building so cannot cause an eyesore and is also a touring caravan not a static version.
Is there anything I can do to stop or avoid this unfair action. Thanks in advance.
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Been a while since I posted on this, but keep thinking about it...
What about a simple business idea, in that you rent out 'manned' land, i.e safe land for farmers. Somebody there at night to make sure nothing is stolen etc.
Legitimate business, as in if you aren't there you aren't paid, go hungry, become homeless etc.
What about a simple business idea, in that you rent out 'manned' land, i.e safe land for farmers. Somebody there at night to make sure nothing is stolen etc.
Legitimate business, as in if you aren't there you aren't paid, go hungry, become homeless etc.
I'd check out TPUC.orq this is statutory law which is contract law you do not have to consent to entering into a contract with these people, yes councils are merely people.
why did you ever let the council know you were there in the first place, public employees lack initiative, they are lazy, dictitorial, and will only deal with whats in front of them when its put there, this is why they are public employees they sit out life waitng for pensions they arent going to get (hopefully as punishment for making the rest of our lives hell)
why did you ever let the council know you were there in the first place, public employees lack initiative, they are lazy, dictitorial, and will only deal with whats in front of them when its put there, this is why they are public employees they sit out life waitng for pensions they arent going to get (hopefully as punishment for making the rest of our lives hell)
I am fed up being a wage slave just to live, I want to feel fulfilled in my life. I have sold my house and have a small amount enough to buy a small woods and would love to start an animal sanctuary and build an earthship. i know it not legal to live in woods but am wondering if anyone has any ideas to get round the rules? I am thinking about living in a yurt initially. regards to you all!!
We live in a motorhome parking in lay-bys and side streets (no we are not gypsies, we both have full time jobs and decided we'd had enough of rising living costs.) and are thinking about buying a small piece of land to park it on and have some chickens and grow our own veg. Everyone has mentioned putting caravans in a field, do the same rules apply for motorhomes?
wow, I like you lot.no answers for you, but lived in a static for six years wont go into details as not within the rules. we are unfortunatly ruled by polititions that make laws to suit thei own pockets, ie bleed the poor dry, and bankers ( should begin with w that last word). that are more happy bleed the system dry, I hope you all suceed in your quests. after all the above people have forced alot of us into different ways tto survive. trouble is we are thinking outsde of their rules, and they dont like it. good luck. from teepee.
hi people im brand new to this site. i wanted to find out about the pros n conns of caravan life. and found this brilliant site. i want to know if you guys think im been daft or if the over powering thoughts i have been having could become real. i do not have money . ive always had a regular income from my plumbing n heating job. i live in a council tower block in leeds and hate it. hate the constant noisey ignerant neighbours..its hard to get a decent nights sleep. hate the commercial side of life...everything comes at a cost and and theres always someone there to take your hard earnd cash.im just societies slave. i love the outdoors life and im only truly happy when im out there. my step sister has money and land. if she would agree to allow me to get a caravan...put it out of site...maybe in her large garage but prefably in the corner of her field ...if no one knows im there would i realisticly get away with it??? i fear if i stay around here much longer im going to explode!! i just want to live a quiet n almost money free life where im not bothering anyone n no one is bothering me. please give me your thoughts. thankyou.
hi befree, you can take your chances and see what happens. you might be able to use the caravan as an extra bedroom if you dont supposedly use it to live in ie have meals in the house. or you could use cl type sites that are quite cheap, staying 28 days at atime, get to know asite owner well you migt be able to stay longer. not a lot to to go on but might be a way of getting away from the crap. good luck, peetee.
when i used to work at the admin dept of a local authority,if the guys and gals had were of irish decent we know we had no chance of moving them on.
Id say study irish/traveller folklore for 6 months then try to live on the land-the local authorities now dont have resources to prosecute.
And when you scroung at the local tip,make sure you say "scap"instead of scrap!!!!LOL
Id say study irish/traveller folklore for 6 months then try to live on the land-the local authorities now dont have resources to prosecute.
And when you scroung at the local tip,make sure you say "scap"instead of scrap!!!!LOL
Or of course a real extreme way of living, is go to the highlands and get a croft.
there is also one island i think its bala,where you can build your own property,its free rent but you supply the materials,must use green energy ala windmill or solar.
wish they would do that on the isles of scilly!!!!!!!
there is also one island i think its bala,where you can build your own property,its free rent but you supply the materials,must use green energy ala windmill or solar.
wish they would do that on the isles of scilly!!!!!!!
Me and my partner have put an offer in on a piece of land called "agricultural grassland" we are hoping to buy it and put a static caravan on there (maybe if need be inside a big barn thats on there) and live there until we can obtain pp for either a log cabin or an eco friendly house we've always wanted. We know we are going to encounter a whole load of legal issues with the council etc but feel more determined after reading through and realising we are not alone and that there can be light at the end of the tunnel. We are willing to give up our family home and strive for a better way of life. Some of you may think we're mad (some of our family do) as we do have a nice house in a nice place but we are sick of rising living costs and the interest we're paying on our mortgage makes me sick! We want to live debt free on our own land thats paid for. A dream I know lots may have, but you have to have dreams and only we can turn them into reality! We are going to try every avenue possible to get there...and if we dont succeed we'll be stuffed, but at least we tried! This site has given me much hope and I will post any news we get to help others! Let the battle begin.....
saunders0158, yes you would need planning for a barn / stables on a 4 acre site, if the site was over 12 / 13 acres then you would have permitted development rights and therefore have permission to put up a barn (but you would still need to tell the local council). So unless you own another 8 arces or so elsewhere (making it 12 / 13 acres in total in the same council area) you would need permission. How about using one of those stables that are on Ski's which can be moved around the site and therefore having no fixed located (just dont concrete the floor as planning officers know it wont be moved).
As for the fence, its Ok, you can fence in your land and the planners wont mind, unless its over 6ft and made in bricks... Post and rail type fencing for horses is fine.
As for the fence, its Ok, you can fence in your land and the planners wont mind, unless its over 6ft and made in bricks... Post and rail type fencing for horses is fine.
Dear mrandmrsp, sounds like a lovely idea, but I would hate to think you would sell your home on the grounds that one day maybe you could get planning permission for a house on there (it could take years). Because the land is stated as agricultural grassland this sorta tells me than maybe its protected in some way as in the type of wildlife etc... and in which case you could be limited on what could be done on there (have the permited development rights been taken away?). What area is the land located and what size ??
It would be best if you own all the acres, because on the planning application you would need to prove what land you own (Hence the question at the end, do you own all of the land, if not, who does). Do you really think a local council would let you build a barn on one acre and then rent the other 11 or so... Just for you to stop renting them in a year or so... Yes they would make you take it down, because you could only build the barn under permitted development, all they would do is add a condition which states once you fail to rent 11 acres or so the barn has to be removed (If they allowed you to build it in the first place, which they wouldnt), more to the point what about the guy who owns the 11 acres you are renting ?? dont you think they may also have a barn on their farm which was allowed under the permitted development rights on the land you rented ?? and therefore because you have informed the council you now rent the land, the owner would have to remove their barn because they no longer have use of the land !!
In an ideal world you would buy 12 acres or so, build a barn and then rent out the rest of the land you no longer need, keeping the barn and afew acres for yourself. But you still wouldnt have permission to live on it.
If anyone has any questions about this, I will do my best to answer on [email protected]. I hold degrees in architecture and planning for the UK and have my own land with which I went through the same situtation as most of the others on this site.
In an ideal world you would buy 12 acres or so, build a barn and then rent out the rest of the land you no longer need, keeping the barn and afew acres for yourself. But you still wouldnt have permission to live on it.
If anyone has any questions about this, I will do my best to answer on [email protected]. I hold degrees in architecture and planning for the UK and have my own land with which I went through the same situtation as most of the others on this site.
Thanks kanara, just realised after reading up more that we need to find a larger plot! The one we have put an offer in on is only 8.66 acres, so the permitted development rule would not apply....would it? What a shame cause it is a beautiful spot only about a mile from where we live so it would have kept us local to friends and family! There is some woodland nect to the land that we could try to buy to make up the 5 hectres, just trying to find out who owns it - we are hoping it is the golf course next to it! I'm in the process of reading David Acreman's book field to farm but having problems getting on the site forum to search for more land....I've not come across the password yet, only on page 61!
Have a look at this website http://www.communitie...ng/pdf/annexepps7.pdf if you haven’t seen it already, it’s the Permitted Development Rights For Agriculture And Forestry and is what the planners would use to see if your development is acceptable.
For a barn you do have permitted development rights as long as the land is over 5ha in size (12.3552691 acres), although it states you don’t need to have the whole 5ha in the same place (as in the same field) it does tell you what rights the smaller pockets of land have. For example you may own 12.36 acres of land, but 12 acres could be a huge field down the road and the 0.36 acre would have different rights (i.e. you couldn’t build a barn on the smaller bit of land, but in the 12 acre field it would be Ok).
If you plan to live there then that’s a completely different story, and expect a fight from the local planners if you do. Even the whole story of having to be there for the animals or for security reasons don’t tend to wash these days with them. I had the local council trespass over my land looking for unlawful development (it was a 6ft by 4ft shed filled with tools in a 10 acre woodland), then the enforcement officer placed an eviction notice on an old caravan (which was used for storage and the dogs when we went there), all because a local councilor lived next door (1/2 a mile away) and she thought travelers have moved in. I even had to put in full planning for the shed which was a replacement for an existing one, so far I have had damage to my lovely timber gate and plants which were planted have been pulled out. So far I haven’t been back there in about 6 months so I haven’t even used up the 28 day rule yet this year, the point I am making is it’s a lovely idea to do to l
For a barn you do have permitted development rights as long as the land is over 5ha in size (12.3552691 acres), although it states you don’t need to have the whole 5ha in the same place (as in the same field) it does tell you what rights the smaller pockets of land have. For example you may own 12.36 acres of land, but 12 acres could be a huge field down the road and the 0.36 acre would have different rights (i.e. you couldn’t build a barn on the smaller bit of land, but in the 12 acre field it would be Ok).
If you plan to live there then that’s a completely different story, and expect a fight from the local planners if you do. Even the whole story of having to be there for the animals or for security reasons don’t tend to wash these days with them. I had the local council trespass over my land looking for unlawful development (it was a 6ft by 4ft shed filled with tools in a 10 acre woodland), then the enforcement officer placed an eviction notice on an old caravan (which was used for storage and the dogs when we went there), all because a local councilor lived next door (1/2 a mile away) and she thought travelers have moved in. I even had to put in full planning for the shed which was a replacement for an existing one, so far I have had damage to my lovely timber gate and plants which were planted have been pulled out. So far I haven’t been back there in about 6 months so I haven’t even used up the 28 day rule yet this year, the point I am making is it’s a lovely idea to do to l
