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thanks dr F. I'd previously looked on that site tho. It's very informative on most things but doesn't tel me how he...a british subject who was born abroad and has always lived abroad...will get his NI number. Imean I know he can apply. Bunt realy I'm wanting to know if he ALREADY has one (due to being a citizen via the nationality of his father or if he must apply for a "brand new" number. I'll ring the relevant dept - i was just curious if any ABer's knew in advance. thanks for your input though