Is It Now Time That London's Mayor Took Some Action Regarding The Notting Hill Carnival?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/jan/17/notting-hill-carnival-risks-hillsborough-scale-tragedy-report-warns

/// The previous mayor got a grip on London’s New Year’s Eve fireworks, the current mayor now needs to do the same with Notting Hill carnival.” ///

[ummmm]

Why are you so obsessed with this carnival?

They will always have to be looking at ways to make it as safe as possible. How they do that is beyond me. I was thinking ticket only but how do they man that.

[ToraToraTora]

"The Notting Hill carnival must change if it is to avoid a “Hillsborough-scale tragedy”," - they'll just blame the old bill anyway.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Why are you so obsessed with this carnival? ///

Because it is in the news once again, just as some seem obsessed with Trump or the referendum etc.

[douglas9401]

"...a more formal and financially sustainable footing."

Here come the tickets and the taxes.

[sp1814]

If there is a danger to public safety, then yes - changes must be considered and those that are workable implemented.

There has been talk of extending the Carnival to three days, so that the crowds on each day are smaller. This would help in moving people and policing, but local residents might well oppose this.

It would be helpful to understand what the proposals are (with regard to crowd control and scaling back the event) before urging the Mayor to take action.

[anotheoldgit]

ToraToraTora

/// they'll just blame the old bill anyway. ///

What after all those shows of 'lovey-doveyness' show towards them by the old bill?

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8730111.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Notting-Hill-Carnival.jpg

[Gromit]

I am a bit suspicious as to the motives of this report. It looks to me like an unsubtle attempt to take control from the local community and hand it to a load of white people who haven't a clue about the carnival.

// Part of the problem, the report said, is that the London Notting Hill Carnival Enterprises Trust (LNHCET), the volunteer-run group that organises the event, lacks “the support and capacity” it needs to deliver it safely. //

It is a victim of its own success. The crowds it now attracts may constitute a safety problem, but there has to be ways around that other than scaling down an event that is enjoyed by a million Londoners.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// a load of white people ///

Interesting choice of words.

[ummmm]

Imagine how much money is made.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Notting Hill Carnival poses a "real risk to public safety" and in 2016 saw four stabbings so serious the victims nearly died, according to a report. ///

/// The event - at which 450 arrests were made last year - must be made safer, London's mayor has been warned. ///

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38643270

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// There has been talk of extending the Carnival to three days ///

Last year it was 3 days, Saturday, Sunday & Bank Holiday Monday.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Imagine how much money is made. ///

Made by some, some victims of the Carnival lose money and much more.

[New Judge]

There’s no real need to consider ways it might be reorganised. What would help would be for the Carnival to be discontinued – at least in its current location.

Quite why it was ever allowed to develop the way it did is a puzzle. Roads are supposed to be for enabling travel from here to there. I’m sure there are plenty of places that would be more than willing to host this jamboree (for a suitable fee which would include all the costs of policing and clearing up).

Many years ago I knew a lady who lived in All Saints Road. She had lived there for many years (since long before the Carnival expanded into the nonsense it is now). However, by the early 1980s she was forced to move out every August Bank Holiday and stay with relatives for a few days. Life where she lived at that time had simply become intolerable. It is unacceptable that people have to move out of their homes to accommodate an event that should be held in the middle of a large field, far from where anybody might live.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // "The Notting Hill carnival must change if it is to avoid a “Hillsborough-scale tragedy”," - they'll just blame the old bill anyway. //

If 'the old bill' behave as they did at Hillsborough, you'd expect and insist that they were blamed - wouldn't you?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

'the old bill' could not be blamed if there was a tragic event at this mass gathering, it would be down to the organisers and those who allowed such an event to continue.

After all they have had enough warnings.

[tamborine]

Move it to 02 with their security experience. 02 is a display venue that should suit NHCarnival display.

[Gromit]

It is just an unashamed power grab by the local politicians.

They see a highly successful, economic money spinner and they don't control it. so they want to steal it off of the local community. The excuse of crowd safety is a lame excuse.

The conclusion after 95 people were killed at Hillsborough wasn't that the FA couldn't run the FA Cup because of crowd safety, and the Police and local authority should take over the task of running the FA Cup. That would have nonsense, and this report is also nonsense.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// That would have nonsense, and this report is also nonsense. ///

I bet you are seething that you can't blame the Daily Mail.

Notice, in my wisdom I posted both the Guardian report and one from the BBC no less, a double whammy whichever way you look at it.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //'the old bill' could not be blamed if there was a tragic event at this mass gathering, it would be down to the organisers and those who allowed such an event to continue. //

Please read what I said - I said that if the police behaved in the same way as at Hillsborough - which was with criminal negligence - then they would and should be blamed for the resulting fatalities.

[andy-hughes]

tambourine - //Move it to 02 with their security experience. 02 is a display venue that should suit NHCarnival display. //

The reason why the Notting Hill Carnival succeeds, is because it takes place in the streets of Notting Hill and it's a carnival.

If you move it away, and put it inside, it ceases to be what it is - how would that solve anything.