Nde's

[chrissie1212]

The other day my friends and I were discussing a programme about near death experiences (NDE's), where people claim to have "left" their bodies and glimpsed the afterlife, with tales of tunnels of light and even saying they communiated with dead relatives or other beings and told to return. I'm not sure what to think, as these people seem very plausible and it does seem to be a rather comforting thought. Does anyone have any thoughts or views about this, or indeed, even experienced this phenomena themselves?

[Buenchico]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23672150

[Old_Geezer]

I think it is plausible evidence of continued existence. I'm more intrigued by those who claim to have left their body and explored the local area, as that has more chance of being tested than claims of experiencing somewhere else entirely.

[Purist]

Its an interesting subject that is much maligned. You are more likely to get the same sort of negative opinions on this from the "realists" who dominate this forum rather than any anecdotal or interesting discussion.

[Baldric]

I've posted on this a couple of times, trouble is you just get shouted down by people whose closed minds give them a superior knowledge over those with experience, but that's AB for you.

[chrissie1212]

Thanks to those that replied on my question on NDE. I since see that this question was posed nearly 10 years ago, but I wasn't on this forum then. To Old Geezer, Purist and Baldric - I tend to agree with you about the responses that are completely closed to this concept. One response had nothing to say except to post a link that basically panned the whole subject. I still have an open mind and would have been interested to hear from anyone who had had any form of "out of body" experience. I think it's fascinating. Oh well - c'est la vie. Excuse the pun!!

[nailit]

This is a subject that ive been reading about for 20+ years.
Theres arguments for and against both sides (hallucination or genuine experience) and ive posted questions about it myself. I do find that the naysayers arguments leave a lot to be desired given my own research.
Still don't know what to make of it though.

[nailit]

Also of interest is the fact that there is now a large body of experiencers that report having had a ''hellish'' experience as opposed to the ''light'' experience (been trapped in a dark void or scary landscape). Perhaps the agnostics don't like this aspect?
Don't like it at all myself........

[nailit]

Buen, as helpful as you are in providing links, that one has been debunked so many times.

[douglas9401]

I heard somewhere the other day that those who come back from seeing a light were about to be reincarnated as moths.

[atalanta]

In some cases, surgeons have been told by patients that while on the operating table, they seemed to experience their spirit leaving their body and soaring up and around. Some theatre staff have responded to these accounts by putting some simple pictures on top of high shelves or cupboards where they could not be seen from the table. Subsequently, no patient has claimed to have seen any of the pictures, whatever else they have claimed.

[Buenchico]

>>> One response had nothing to say except to post a link that basically panned the whole subject

That's because some us of prefer science to mysticism.

[ducksie]

Speaking of surgeons, wasn't there that neurosurgeon that wrote a book on his own NDE after years of disbelief in others, he had to have an op and claims to have had an NDE. Dr. Alexander from America I think

[EDDIE51]

Near death experience and effects of lack of Oxygen to the brain are remarkably similar!
https://www.seeker.com/near-death-experiences-likely-caused-by-lack-of-oxygen-1769714593.html

[naomi24]

I consider myself to be a realist which is why when subjects like this are up for discussion all I can say is I really don’t know – and neither does anyone else. That’s the reality.

[Mamyalynne]

I can say with certainty that being near death is a very strange experience so would never dismiss what others said their experiences were.

[Garaman]

Not NDE's, but I have had two out of-body experiences, it isn’t that unusual. One of mine came after a tragic loss as a child and the other as an adult about 30 years ago when I had a bad fever in the Far East. Both times I went to the roof of the room, which I believe is the most common place to go.

To understand how it happens you first have to consider how the brain works. We think of ourselves as being in location, but it doesn’t quite work like that. Our senses take the location and recreate it in our brain, then the brain puts us in the right place in our brain. We kind of live in a video game we create in our brain. That is why it takes so long for children to learn balance as they have to learn to put themselves in the right place in their brain. We can lose that ability to locate ourselves through shock, fever etc., and I would imagine an NDE, though that doesn't explain glimpsing the afterlife.