Bbc4 Looks Good Tonight.

[melv16]

Kicks off at 8-00 with queens of soul,(hopefully, none of that northern tripe.)
Then 3 hours of Amy Winehouse progs.

[Mamyalynne]

Reported for Northern Soulist remarks! ;-)

[melv16]

Lol

[dunnitall]

How can you endorse a druggie? It's not good IMO to say this is brill when it could influence people to think...fame and it's good to take drugs?? In my day people gained recognition for their talent. Her talent..Winehouse... isn't IMO. She survived on drugs and that's where her life existed until she killed herself with them!

Sorry if you don't agree but that's what caused her death and if you and others endorse that...then sorry...you are misguided IMO.

[Mamyalynne]

Looks a good line up and playlist - SPOILER, don't look if you want a surprise.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/music/playlists/zzzzff

[Mamyalynne]

One isn't condoning or endorsing drug taking if you enjoy watching the work of someone or enjoying what they did in their life.

Many of the greatest scientists and inventors through history were on drugs.

[pastafreak]

Dunnitall....there are innumerable historical and recent figures in the arts, sciences, philosophy who used drugs of one sort or another. Admiring their talents as creative thinkers or performers does not mean we agree to their drug use.
See this list of just a few such people...

https://drugabuse.com/20-genius-minds-and-the-drugs-they-were-addicted-to/

[melv16]

Dunnitall. Does your judgmental answer include the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Aretha Franklin, Jim Morrison etc,etc.

[dunnitall]

Melv yes...anyone! It's not judgemental IMO it is common sense! However those who don't agree will call it judgemental. You re locate...you take on the abiding rules and conditions of that country. Why would you move anyway??

Don't like it? Don't go! Can't abide by their rules...don't accept them! Simples.... Keep away...find somewhere with your wealth where you don't have to answer to anyone...simples.

I've never believe I enhancing a behaviour by artificial means.... Why would you do that?? Most.IMO....be free...enjoy your environment but please....think before u sign up! Xx

[melv16]

Dunnitall. I'm not endorsing drug taking, I'm appreciating the fantastic talent that she had.

[237SJ]

Good to see Gladys Knight on that programme. I thought she did a retirement tour a few years ago but I see that she's playing again in Manchester. I might fly up there and see her as I always liked her.

[fiction-factory]

Looks a good playlist although I'd have liked to see some of that northern tripe in there

[andy-hughes]

Reference to 'northern tripe' will result in a hoard of Stokies outside your door with pitchforks and flaming torches!!!

[andy-hughes]

dunnitall - // How can you endorse a druggie? It's not good IMO to say this is brill when it could influence people to think...fame and it's good to take drugs?? In my day people gained recognition for their talent. Her talent..Winehouse... isn't IMO. She survived on drugs and that's where her life existed until she killed herself with them! //

Not sure when 'your day' was, but drugs have been a part of the lives of musicians since the 1920's, and it is still present today.

I have to agree with other posters, enjoying someone's talent does not equate with endorsing their lifestyle. Millions of people love Frank Sinatra, but he was a flagrant racist, anti-Semitic, a wife-beater, and he enjoyed endorsing his 'bad guy' image by entertaining known Mafia bosses. Bing Crosby was a serial womaniser … the list goes on and on.

What about classical music - Wagner was a profound anti-Semite, one reason why Htiler adored his work so much, Wagner's music is banned from public performance in Israel to this day.

So it would be a shame to deny the obvious talents of any of these people, simply because as individuals, they led lives that would give most of us issues.

But as I said, you can love the art, even if you don't like the artist.

[andy-hughes]

dunnitall - // It's not good IMO to say this is brill when it could influence people to think...fame and it's good to take drugs?? //

I have said on this site many many times, that I believe that Amy Winehouse was, and is, an absolutely perfect role model for young people?

Why?

Because she was a frequently photographed example of exactly what drugs can do to someone.

You can follow a pictorial lineage of a beautiful young woman with talent to burn, as she morphs into a physical wreck, unable to perform, write, or record, as she drank and drugged herself to death.

She should be used as an example to anyone who may think drugs are 'glamourous'.

[dunnitall]

Guys...I understand where you are coming from... however it could equate to a murderer, damned good bloke, his thinking, his kindness...but he killed someone so that doesn't matter....he was a good bloke!

Ok. Will have to agree to disagree. It's just my take on life rightly or wrongly. I just don't think anyone should be glorified if they go against society rules/boundaries just because they are famous/brilliant or an Einstein.

There are some who should be ostracised IMO to set an example to society and then perhaps ...just perhaps people will take note of what's right or wrong in behaviour within the boundaries of your social dimensions. I mean well....I'm just trying to say don't condone bad behaviour! Xx

[melv16]

//Reference to 'northern tripe' will result in a hoard of Stokies outside your door with pitchforks and flaming torches!!!//

A normal Saturday night in Stoke then, Andy :-)

[andy-hughes]

dunnitall - // Guys...I understand where you are coming from... however it could equate to a murderer, damned good bloke, his thinking, his kindness...but he killed someone so that doesn't matter....he was a good bloke! //

It doesn't equate to that at all!!!

Firstly, no-one says, Oh I like so-and-so's music, so I'll turn a blind eye to his drug use. People accept that musicians are often flawed individuals, but no-one excuses or condones that side of them.

And no musician that I can think of, in modern times, has killed anyone either!

// Ok. Will have to agree to disagree. It's just my take on life rightly or wrongly. I just don't think anyone should be glorified if they go against society rules/boundaries just because they are famous/brilliant or an Einstein. //

I can only repeat - I don't think they are.

People enjoy the work of musicians whose behaviour in private (and it's only through the media that we know about it) is maybe not the best, but they enjoy it in spite of that, not because of it.

// There are some who should be ostracised IMO to set an example to society and then perhaps ...just perhaps people will take note of what's right or wrong in behaviour within the boundaries of your social dimensions. I mean well....I'm just trying to say don't condone bad behaviour! Xx //

Then think about Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris and Jonathan King - complete pariahs whose records are not heard anywhere on any UK radio station. That aligns with your point very nicely I am sure you would agree.

[andy-hughes]

melv - // //Reference to 'northern tripe' will result in a hoard of Stokies outside your door with pitchforks and flaming torches!!!//

A normal Saturday night in Stoke then, Andy :-) //

Pretty much!!

[douglas9401]

Are people really being stockpiled in basements and cleverly concealed cupboards?

[Peter Pedant]

could only stand an hour ....