Markle Miscarriage

[smurfchops]

It is very sad that she suffered a miscarriage, don’t get me wrong, but why oh why do we have to suffer her every day in the news. I thought they both wanted PRIVACY but they cannot wait to get their faces and woes everywhere can they? I wonder if the long drawn out speech of her miscarriage was written by her by the way?

[Chinajan]

I'm entitled to womansplain, as you put it. I'm a woman.

[andy-hughes]

Sharon - // It is up to her of course, but does she or does she not want privacy??!! //

As I have attempted to point out - everyone, and I do mean everyone, is entitled to privacy, and should not have to ask for it, because it is a basic right.

But having privacy as your right does not mean you are not entitled to voice your opinions as you wish.

You and I voice them on here.

The duchess, because of who she is, has a much bigger platform, and as I said, that should not mean that she is less entitled to speak if she wishes about things that matter to her.

Having privacy and expressing a view are not mutually exclusive, she is entitled to do both.

We, as the listening world, are absolutely entitled to take no notice of her, or to disagree with her, what we are not entitled to do is to muzzle her because we maybe don't approve of her lifestyle choices.

[andy-hughes]

Chinajan - // I'm entitled to womansplain, as you put it. I'm a woman. //

You are missing my point.

I did not suggest I was speaking for 'all women', that is a conclusion you have reached all on your own.

I am not entitled to speak for all women, or indeed all men, I speak for myself.

You on the other hand seem to think you speak for 'the majority' of women, based as far as I can see entirely on an undeserved sense of self-importance, because you are a woman.

That in itself does not qualify you in the slightest.

I wear glasses - it doesn't make me an optician.

[Chinajan]

My issue, to repeat myself, is that you stated:

// Not initially, and of course they should not, but the avoidance of the subject makes them feel ashamed, as though it is their fault. //

I disagree with that assertion.

[pastafreak]

emmie@21:12...sad, isn't it?

[andy-hughes]

Chinajan - // My issue, to repeat myself, is that you stated:

// Not initially, and of course they should not, but the avoidance of the subject makes them feel ashamed, as though it is their fault. //

I disagree with that assertion. //

You are absolutely entitled to disagree with that assertion.

You are not entitled to decide that I am speaking for 'all women' and then patronise me for it.

You are also not entitled to decry me for 'manspplaining' (what an odious superior demeaning nasty phrase that is) and then do exactly what you accuse me of.

You appear to think that I am 'not entitled' to speak about women because I am not one - but you can.

I would not dream to speak for my gender, I wouldn't be so arrogant.

[jourdain2]

Not read all thread. If she is drawing attention to the fact that miscarriages are horribly hard to cope with, then that is absolutely fine. If she is drawing attention to herself then it is not.

I would think that a huge percentage of women have suffered a miscarriage, including me. Duchess of S. is lucky in that she already has a surviving baby so she knows that it is possible. Mine was my very first pregnancy, so you don't know, in that case, if you will ever carry a healthy baby.

My niece has a baby, thank goodness, after 2 miscarriages - she has just had a third miscarriage, trying for a sibling for her son, who was born after the 1st 2 mis's.

It's horrible, psychologically as well as physically - no need to dodge on that and I know exactly how that feels - but you have to put it aside and keep going. My midwife said "If it's not to be, it's not to be, another time will probably be OK."

I'm sorry for Meghan. As I said, it's horrible - but she is getting on a bit and must have taken the percentages into account surely.

[andy-hughes]

jourdain - // Duchess of S. is lucky in that she already has a surviving baby so she knows that it is possible. //

Maybe not.

She miscarried her second baby - so there is no guarantee that she will be able to carry another to term.

[jourdain2]

andy-h Try losing a baby in your 1st pregnancy before assuming that you will carry another to full-term. I was terrified for most of my 2nd pregnancy, which eventually brought my gorgeous daughter. I repeat that the D. of S. is better off than an awful lot of us, much though I sympathise with her as a woman.

[andy-hughes]

jourdain - // andy-h Try losing a baby in your 1st pregnancy before assuming that you will carry another to full-term. //

I am not 'assuming' anything at all - I am stating a simple fact.

You said this - // Duchess of S. is lucky in that she already has a surviving baby so she knows that it is possible. //

I disagree - what she knows is possible is that she has been able to have a baby - that does not mean that she is automatically able to have one or more babies in the future.

Some physiological change may have occurred that means that, although the duchess successfully carried one baby to term, the change may mean that she can no longer do so.

Her loss was her second pregnancy, so your point is not valid in my view.

That is the only point I am making.

[ichkeria]

Yet another “Why do we have to keep talking about the Wicked Witch of the West oh I know let’s all talk about the Wicked Witch of the West” thread :-)

[douglas9401]

Hello operator, I'd like to report another major derailment.

[Mozz71]

Jesus wept, this place is getting worse.

[andy-hughes]

douglas - // Hello operator, I'd like to report another major derailment. //

If you don't approve of the turns the thread is taking, try contributing in a way that points it the way you think it should go - rather than actually derailing it with off-thread jibes.

[Sqad]

I'm a bloke but this my take on it.
Miscarriage is common in pregnancy perhaps as high as 1 in 3 pregnancies end in miscarriages.
To some women it is devastating and in others it is no big deal.
The odd miscarriage in a woman is a fact of life but multiple miscarriages in a childless woman when a live birth is at a premium may be devastating.
I agree with jourdan that Megan is lucky to have one successful pregnancy and the fact that she has had a miscarrige subsequently does not put her in an added risk group for further unsuccessful pregnancies.
I my opinion, her going "public" has done nothing for women as a whole,but has given another open goal to criticise.

[Mozz71]

Yeah Douggie, stop derailing the thread. That's not your job.

[jourdain2]

andy-h -- I'm very sorry, but you are showing ignorance here. Yes, she's not sure she can have a second baby, but she already HAS one ...........so much more comfort than very many of us had. Not pulling rank etc., but I honestly don't think a chap can understand this. Most of us were alone. I had a sofa and a lovely dog for company - and no guarantee that I would ever, ever carry a child.

I repeat, I'm sorry for her, but she's better off than many.

[andy-hughes]

jourdain - // andy-h -- I'm very sorry, but you are showing ignorance here. Yes, she's not sure she can have a second baby, but she already HAS one ...........so much more comfort than very many of us had. //

That is not the point I made.

// Not pulling rank etc., but I honestly don't think a chap can understand this. Most of us were alone. I had a sofa and a lovely dog for company - and no guarantee that I would ever, ever carry a child. //

I would never be so crass as to assume that I understand something that only a woman can understand - I am merely offering a rebuttal to what I believe was an inaccurate point, nothing more than that.

[calmck]

As a nurse and midwife I would always tell women at an early ante natal appointment that a miscarriage is always a possibility and would advise them not to tell "the world" they were pregnant before the first scan in case there were developmental problems. I would also tell them that if they did miscarry in early pregnancy it was not because they did anything wrong but that there was possibly some thing wrong with the foetus. Later miscarriages or stillbirths have completely different causes than early ones. Speaking about miscarriage needs to be more accepted and spoken about more openly as it does help healing. Unfortunately Harry and Meghan said they wanted to step back from public life and it seems they are being badly advised and it sometimes appears they are courting the press as with the Armistice day cemetery visit. I feel for Meghan re her loss but I think they both need to rethink some of their actions re publicity

[Peter Pedant]

// She miscarried her second baby - so there is no guarantee that she will be able to carry another to term.//

er yes there is - PP womansplains - she has done it before
so it is possible that she cd do it again or - as some one posted -- there is a guarantee that she will be able to carry another ( perhaps not that one) to term

god you are all fertility party poopers

and one miscarriage means all miscarriages - nope
you can look at the pattern and they have
If you have four on the trot then perhaps it is a possibility

lordy lordy

and there is someone else yapping about privacy. The trigger for this thread is that meghan advertised that she had a miscarriage which is hardly demanding privacy now is it?