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Who Is Running This Asylum, Britain Or The Echr?
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/// Saleh was subject to “automatic deportation” under border laws, but he appealed against deportation. In 2011, an immigration tribunal decided it would breach the European Convention of Human Rights to deport him, as he would face persecution if he returned to Sudan. ///
Is it not time that anyone who arrives illegally into this country, is automatically classed as a criminal and sent straight back from whence they came?
No appeal no legal aid, just get rid, we don't want garbage such as this polluting our country, all at a cost of £350,000 to the British taxpayer.
Is it not time that anyone who arrives illegally into this country, is automatically classed as a criminal and sent straight back from whence they came?
No appeal no legal aid, just get rid, we don't want garbage such as this polluting our country, all at a cost of £350,000 to the British taxpayer.
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>>>>NO
AOG used the word illegally, so on that bases they should NOT be here.
If someone comes into my house uninvited (burglar etc.) it is treated as a crime.
Surely arriving on our shores uninvited should be the same.
We are heavily in debt as a country and we can no longer afford to support people whose sole aim is to come here and steal off us (and illegal immigrants working without paying taxes is stealing from every one of us).
We need to get tougher, we can no longer afford to be soft.
AOG used the word illegally, so on that bases they should NOT be here.
If someone comes into my house uninvited (burglar etc.) it is treated as a crime.
Surely arriving on our shores uninvited should be the same.
We are heavily in debt as a country and we can no longer afford to support people whose sole aim is to come here and steal off us (and illegal immigrants working without paying taxes is stealing from every one of us).
We need to get tougher, we can no longer afford to be soft.
AOG
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/// "Is it not time that anyone who arrives illegally into this country, is automatically classed as a criminal and sent straight back from whence they came?" ///
/// They are. ///
Heh! that is great new when was that announced.
But I just think you are making this up, because why is the piece of broccoli still here among the many thousands more?
/// "Is it not time that anyone who arrives illegally into this country, is automatically classed as a criminal and sent straight back from whence they came?" ///
/// They are. ///
Heh! that is great new when was that announced.
But I just think you are making this up, because why is the piece of broccoli still here among the many thousands more?
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The rules are all well and good, sp, but as has been adequately demonstrated by this and many other cases the “..automatically sent back whence they came..” part of the deal is not rigorously enforced.
The problem is that people entering the UK without proper documentation are not held securely and deported at the earliest opportunity. Instead they are given directions to get to Lunar House to “register their particulars” and, not surprisingly, many of them don’t quite make it to Croydon. Many of them arrive by unconventional means (often among cargo in the back of lorries) and almost all of them arrive without papers. (Those that had any to enable them to board an aircraft flush them down the kharzi en route). This makes it difficult to “send them back” because we know not whence they came.
The answer is quite simple. Instead of in a common arrivals hall at UK airports immigration procedures should be undertaken at the aircraft gate. The origin of any illegal arrivals would thus be known and they can be returned, at the airline’s expense, to their place of departure. In ferry ports it is much simpler. Most ferry ports in the UK deal with traffic from only one country.
It is a bit naïve to simply post “the rules” and imply that all is well when it very clearly is not.
Whilst it is true, Fred, that nothing in the HRA (or the ECHR) provides legitimate protection which did not exist in domestic law (hence my long held contention that neither is necessary), those pieces of legislation most definitely provide additional protection against deportation. In particular Article 8 (the right to a family life) is not provided for under domestic law (other than the HRA which is based on the ECHR). Furthermore, the courts have stretched this provision to ridiculous extremes allowing people to remain here under Article 8 who actually have no family connections in the UK at all.
It is clear that the UK is being taken for a ride by vast numbers of people and that once they have landed illegally in the UK their removal is not “automatic an immediate” by any means. In fact in a large number of cases, so difficult and tortuous is the process that it often does not happen at all.
The problem is that people entering the UK without proper documentation are not held securely and deported at the earliest opportunity. Instead they are given directions to get to Lunar House to “register their particulars” and, not surprisingly, many of them don’t quite make it to Croydon. Many of them arrive by unconventional means (often among cargo in the back of lorries) and almost all of them arrive without papers. (Those that had any to enable them to board an aircraft flush them down the kharzi en route). This makes it difficult to “send them back” because we know not whence they came.
The answer is quite simple. Instead of in a common arrivals hall at UK airports immigration procedures should be undertaken at the aircraft gate. The origin of any illegal arrivals would thus be known and they can be returned, at the airline’s expense, to their place of departure. In ferry ports it is much simpler. Most ferry ports in the UK deal with traffic from only one country.
It is a bit naïve to simply post “the rules” and imply that all is well when it very clearly is not.
Whilst it is true, Fred, that nothing in the HRA (or the ECHR) provides legitimate protection which did not exist in domestic law (hence my long held contention that neither is necessary), those pieces of legislation most definitely provide additional protection against deportation. In particular Article 8 (the right to a family life) is not provided for under domestic law (other than the HRA which is based on the ECHR). Furthermore, the courts have stretched this provision to ridiculous extremes allowing people to remain here under Article 8 who actually have no family connections in the UK at all.
It is clear that the UK is being taken for a ride by vast numbers of people and that once they have landed illegally in the UK their removal is not “automatic an immediate” by any means. In fact in a large number of cases, so difficult and tortuous is the process that it often does not happen at all.
Unfortunately, grumpydrawers, that represents more than an open door policy, it is a 'no walls' policy. If we adopt a test of letting everyone in , illegals under our present law, and wait to see whether they prove themselves useful, a) they require monitoring all the time b) how do we find them later c) what we do when they prove useless d)) who is paying directly or indirectly for them to live here ?
"I believe that the illegal immigrant should be given a chance to see if they can provide a useful existance to this country "
youre not serious are you ?......sheeesh i think you are !
I just had to check to see if it was April 1st !
and how exactly are the going to prove they can be useful..and what happens as in thousands upon thousands of instances they prove otherwise, can we then ship them back out ?...hell we can.......oh yeah some leftie lawyer takes the case to the euchr and bazinga theyre allowed to stay
youre not serious are you ?......sheeesh i think you are !
I just had to check to see if it was April 1st !
and how exactly are the going to prove they can be useful..and what happens as in thousands upon thousands of instances they prove otherwise, can we then ship them back out ?...hell we can.......oh yeah some leftie lawyer takes the case to the euchr and bazinga theyre allowed to stay
NJ, I don't think the right to family life is a novelty in English law. But, I do agree that the HRA and the ECHR have been seized upon by lawyers as a convenient novelty. These lawyers would never have thought to plead common law, natural justice etc but they had a brand new statutory provision to play with and invoke. And they did, taking every chance and half-chance and some, even a lot, of the times, they got a result.
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"Jumaa Kater Saleh, who sexually abused a 13-year-old schoolgirl, was told by senior judges that he is entitled to a pay-out for the way the Home Office treated him. "
"Jumaa Kater Saleh, who sexually abused a 13-year-old schoolgirl, was told by senior judges that he is entitled to a pay-out for the way the Home Office treated him. "
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grumpydrawers
/// I believe that the illegal immigrant should be given a chance to see if they can provide a useful existance to this country ///
What like this individual, apparently he was given a chance and look what took place, it could have been a child of your family, are you prepared to take that risk?
/// I believe that the illegal immigrant should be given a chance to see if they can provide a useful existance to this country ///
What like this individual, apparently he was given a chance and look what took place, it could have been a child of your family, are you prepared to take that risk?
Hey, baz, leave leftie lawyers out of it ! Saying some leftie lawyer would make sure an unworthy immigrant stayed. We righty lawyers would do the same; the money is just as good whoever does it, a case is a case, and nobody appearing cares a toss whether the client is worthy or has a good case or a bad case, they are all to be acted for.
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