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Boris is as thick as a blank of wood. He's got a golden opportunity to hold back the Indian variant, but NO open up on Monday and let it rip. Anyone with any brain what so ever would hold fire for at least until the 21st June to give more time to vaccinate more people. Even after all that's happened over the last few months, he still can't see the wood for the trees. What a complete dip stick.
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I think, tc, you need to be a little less circumspect.
There is no indication that this variant is any more damaging than any other. There is also no indication that is is resistant to vaccine (and if it was, your idea to hold fire to give more time to vaccinate people would be pointless).
On top of that, despite the increase in the number of cases, there seems to be no change to the downward trend in hospital admissions and deaths. Admissions are hovering around the 100-120 a day mark where they've been for about two weeks; deaths are averaging 10 a day where they've been for a week. 19m people have been fully vaccinated and looking at the age profile this equates to most people over the age of about 55. Almost twice that number have had at least one shot and people under 40 are now being called up for their turn.
The country cannot continue to run an ultra-precautionary strategy. Almost all of the most vulnerable to the disease who wanted the vaccine have now had it, many of the less vulnerable have and those who haven't had it are either not likely to suffer severe symptoms or they don't want it. Meanwhile the fate of many businesses, particularly in the hospitality, entertainment and travel sectors, hangs by a thread. There will always be these variants and they will almost certainly be identified in the UK because we do more "sequencing" than just about all of the rest of the world put together. Boris did err in not closing our border to India swiftly enough but frankly it would have been impossible to stop the variant reaching these shores. We just have to deal with it.
There is no indication that this variant is any more damaging than any other. There is also no indication that is is resistant to vaccine (and if it was, your idea to hold fire to give more time to vaccinate people would be pointless).
On top of that, despite the increase in the number of cases, there seems to be no change to the downward trend in hospital admissions and deaths. Admissions are hovering around the 100-120 a day mark where they've been for about two weeks; deaths are averaging 10 a day where they've been for a week. 19m people have been fully vaccinated and looking at the age profile this equates to most people over the age of about 55. Almost twice that number have had at least one shot and people under 40 are now being called up for their turn.
The country cannot continue to run an ultra-precautionary strategy. Almost all of the most vulnerable to the disease who wanted the vaccine have now had it, many of the less vulnerable have and those who haven't had it are either not likely to suffer severe symptoms or they don't want it. Meanwhile the fate of many businesses, particularly in the hospitality, entertainment and travel sectors, hangs by a thread. There will always be these variants and they will almost certainly be identified in the UK because we do more "sequencing" than just about all of the rest of the world put together. Boris did err in not closing our border to India swiftly enough but frankly it would have been impossible to stop the variant reaching these shores. We just have to deal with it.
//Most on here if not all know what your top priority is, jump on a plane, and fly off into the sunset, and to hell with what comes back with you.//
I'm trying to have a sensible conversation, tc. This isn't about me or what I want to do. But since you raised it, I'm more likely to contract Covid in my local Tesco's (and that likelihood is slim enough) than I am in the places I want to travel to. But apart from that I have a little concern for the rest of the people in this country. They have now endured more than a year of restrictions, all of which have affected them in different ways. There have been, and will be, large numbers of deaths resulting directly from the lockdown but not associated with Covid. There have been huge job losses and businesses going under. Education has been severely affected.
The country was told to lock down to protect the NHS; we did that and the NHS survived. We were then told to lock down until a vaccine was rolled out; we did that and almost all the most vulnerable are now protected. We were told to lock down to save lives; we did that and now very few people are dying of the virus. Now you are suggesting we should remain locked down. Why? "Just in case, to be on the safe side?" I don't think so.
I'm trying to have a sensible conversation, tc. This isn't about me or what I want to do. But since you raised it, I'm more likely to contract Covid in my local Tesco's (and that likelihood is slim enough) than I am in the places I want to travel to. But apart from that I have a little concern for the rest of the people in this country. They have now endured more than a year of restrictions, all of which have affected them in different ways. There have been, and will be, large numbers of deaths resulting directly from the lockdown but not associated with Covid. There have been huge job losses and businesses going under. Education has been severely affected.
The country was told to lock down to protect the NHS; we did that and the NHS survived. We were then told to lock down until a vaccine was rolled out; we did that and almost all the most vulnerable are now protected. We were told to lock down to save lives; we did that and now very few people are dying of the virus. Now you are suggesting we should remain locked down. Why? "Just in case, to be on the safe side?" I don't think so.
Anyone who posts on this site pointing out how incompetent our leaders/government are is castigated for being anti-British. They are not being anti-British, they are being anti-incompetence.
Just because incompetence is a common trait amongst our leaders/government, complaining about the incompetence does not make you anti-British.
Just because incompetence is a common trait amongst our leaders/government, complaining about the incompetence does not make you anti-British.
// There is no indication that this variant is any more damaging than any other. There is also no indication that is is resistant to vaccine //
well.... There is no indication that this variant is any more damaging than any other. yes there is - R number ( number infected by and infected case is 50% higher 4.5 instead of 3)
There is also no indication that is is resistant to vaccine
yes there is the neutralization power of ordinary vaccine antibodies is about 50% less in a test tube - but antibody power is log and that is around 0.7 which I dont think will matter
so who was talking about pearls before swine
nothing like ignoring the available evidence.....
carry on disputing boys and girls ! have fun
well.... There is no indication that this variant is any more damaging than any other. yes there is - R number ( number infected by and infected case is 50% higher 4.5 instead of 3)
There is also no indication that is is resistant to vaccine
yes there is the neutralization power of ordinary vaccine antibodies is about 50% less in a test tube - but antibody power is log and that is around 0.7 which I dont think will matter
so who was talking about pearls before swine
nothing like ignoring the available evidence.....
carry on disputing boys and girls ! have fun
14.17 NJ, Why? Because we have now spent a long time getting the numbers down, infection and hospitalization. We've already eased lock down to make life a little better, without a massive increase of new cases. The present ramping up of vaccination will be pointless if you are also going to open the flood gates. Why again? Because the vaccinations won't be effective until at least three weeks have passed.
Your take from the beginning of this pandemic to a degree was to just go with pretty much normal life. Well it seems that pretty much normal life was attempted in India, and they are now dropping like flies.
Your take from the beginning of this pandemic to a degree was to just go with pretty much normal life. Well it seems that pretty much normal life was attempted in India, and they are now dropping like flies.
// normal life was attempted in India, //
what's being allowed from tomorrow still isn't what most might recognise as "normal", at least, what was normal prior to March 2020. masks will still be mandatory indoors, the rule of six still applies, and so does social distancing. whereas in India, their "attempt" included allowing the Kumbh Mela, in which millions bathed in what is in effect an open sewer, a "normal life" that has no comparison in this country.
what's being allowed from tomorrow still isn't what most might recognise as "normal", at least, what was normal prior to March 2020. masks will still be mandatory indoors, the rule of six still applies, and so does social distancing. whereas in India, their "attempt" included allowing the Kumbh Mela, in which millions bathed in what is in effect an open sewer, a "normal life" that has no comparison in this country.
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