The War In Ukraine

[Khandro]

'Russia’s invasion of Ukraine will cost the global economy $2.8 trillion in lost output by the end of next year—and even more if a severe winter leads to energy rationing in Europe.'

With the outlook to be a continued process of slaughter for months, maybe years to come of life (human & animal) & destruction of habitation & infrastructure at a rate not seen since WW2. Is the loss of a small region of the extreme west Donbass regions of Ukraine (plus the Crimea, which has been Russian for 300 years) worth the prolongation, & possible risks of the use of nuclear & chemical weapons ?

[Spicerack]

If any of you watch that film I posted, I'll guarantee that you'll never cheer on the Nazi's that you are unwittingly supporting again.

[davebro]

Spicerack - keep your insults to yourself. No one thinks that Russia in it's entirety can be defeated but its "special operation" to annexe parts of Ukraine needs to be resisted and, if possible, the land grabs reversed.

[Spicerack]

Touched a nerve, did I?

[ToraToraTora]

So Khandro are you saying Ukraine should just surrender to the despot? Look up appeasement in the dictionary, then see if you can find a case of it working. What a ridiculous suggestion.

[ToraToraTora]

spice 09:02, I'm not going to spend 90 mins watching that video but are you seriously saying that Ukraine are the "nazis"?

[Peter Pedant]

Kherson is being defended ( by the russians)
note no one did bagga all to stop them coming in

so I HOPE that front has not been stalled - but it might be

[Khandro]

TTT //Look up appeasement in the dictionary,//

and you look up my previous posts.

I see the armchair warriors are out in full force this morning, I wonder how many of them have sat frightened in the dark listening to bombs falling - I have!

[gl556tr]

I was intending to add to this interesting subject, important as it is. But the aggressive and personal comments are most off-putting.

[Peter Pedant]

dave bro - were you the wit that screamed NURSE at me yesterday
anyway ay am reporting you for the wish that someone dies from ca
Naughty boy! it may happen to you !

[ToraToraTora]

khandro: "...and you look up my previous posts. " - For what? To see if I can find one that makes sense?

[steg]

//I see the armchair warriors are out in full force this morning//

Aye… and the surrender monkeys :)

[Untitled]

i am not sure russia has the resources to extend the war beyond ukraine even if it wanted to... and it cannot realistically hold what it does take

unfortunately i do think there is merit in khandro's suggestion... it's very well making comparisons with 1938/9 but neither Hitler nor his opponents had nukes. If they did then that period would have played out very differently...

it all comes down to whether or not you think the russian leadership is likely to use the bomb. I sincerely hope not but if there's a credible threat of nuclear armageddon what are we supposed to do?

[davebro]

"Give me what I want or I'll start a nuclear war."

"Ah - OK take it then."

(seems like a good plan)

[barney4444]

Avatar Image gl556tr
I was intending to add to this interesting subject, important as it is. But the aggressive and personal comments are most off-putting.

Correct.

[ichkeria]

Indeed dave.
The "but he has nukes" is not irrelevant but what you are actually saying is you give in to nuclear blackmail.
The "nuclear blackmail" being partially in the monds of the people giving in.
Putin will not use nuclear weapons unless we back down: that may see counterintuitive, but feed the beast once and he'll come back for more.
Again and again. And the more the threats the more likely things are to escalate.
Show Putin strength and he back down,
It is quite funny in a way to see how the energy blackmail has not worked: Europe is awash with the stuff: the spot price actually feel below zero the other day, LNG container ships are backed in in European ports, and Germany, ironically, basks in summerlike sunshine, Ok, it's only October, but the stocks are there for a harsh winter, should that happen.

[Untitled]

unfortunately that's the world that nukes created davebro.... people didn't stop to think what might happen if a Hitler-type ended up with a nuclear arsenal, let alone a massive one. Oops.

[ichkeria]

Those who talk of negotiation:
I wonder if they have any idea what would be talked about?

[davebro]

Flight of fantasy - if the nuclear age had begun in 1930 instead of 1945 the world would now be ruled by Hitler's successors as the Allies would have given in to all his demands.

[barney4444]

//Those who talk of negotiation:
I wonder if they have any idea what would be talked about?//

Ending the war perhaps.