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Once again this HIV question cropped up on BBC's Question Time last night, this time brought up by no less than controversial Piers Mogan.
What I fail to understand by all this is the fact that UKIP have to constantly defend something that they have said which should be a reasonable concern to most people.
To all those who are against what has been said by UKIP I would like to ask, should we openly announce to the rest of the World that our NHS facilities are freely available to anyone who wishes to use them?
If your answer to this is no, then why is it any different where HIV cases are concerned?
Once again this HIV question cropped up on BBC's Question Time last night, this time brought up by no less than controversial Piers Mogan.
What I fail to understand by all this is the fact that UKIP have to constantly defend something that they have said which should be a reasonable concern to most people.
To all those who are against what has been said by UKIP I would like to ask, should we openly announce to the rest of the World that our NHS facilities are freely available to anyone who wishes to use them?
If your answer to this is no, then why is it any different where HIV cases are concerned?
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No we shouldn't.But I notice that some kind do gooders on AB will try to have us believe that immigrants don't actually come here to be treated for HIV at the expense of the NHS.
No.They just come here for a holiday or to visit friends and surprise surprise they suddenly feel ill and discover they have brought HIV or a pregnancy with them.How fortuitous to be in the "soft touch"UK when this "surprising" discovery was diagnosed.
I hope the proposed NHS checks are implemented sooner rather than later but I won't hold my breath.
Someone suggested earlier on another post that by treating anyone who happens to be here with aids will eventually benefit the world by reducing it.What a generous offer.!!
No.They just come here for a holiday or to visit friends and surprise surprise they suddenly feel ill and discover they have brought HIV or a pregnancy with them.How fortuitous to be in the "soft touch"UK when this "surprising" discovery was diagnosed.
I hope the proposed NHS checks are implemented sooner rather than later but I won't hold my breath.
Someone suggested earlier on another post that by treating anyone who happens to be here with aids will eventually benefit the world by reducing it.What a generous offer.!!
hi AOG, i will attempt to answer your question. I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is a reasonable concern to have, both for politicians such as NF and the general british public. However, i think NF was less than politically astute to use HIV as an example, given that the history of the illness has given rise to huge social stigma all over the world about this particular disease, which you don't get with other illnesses. And from that he has left himself wide open to critcism at perpetuating the stigma.
In reality, the same thing could be said about immigrants with ANY illness/infection and so forth bt i think he made a mistake picking on this particular one.
In reality, the same thing could be said about immigrants with ANY illness/infection and so forth bt i think he made a mistake picking on this particular one.
bednobs
The trouble with HIV is that it is extremely expensive to treat.Countries where it is rife,Nigeria,for instance,do not have the facilities or will to do anything about it. That is why it is correct to use this disease as an example.
Sufferers are deliberately hi-jacking our NHS for free treatment.Same can be said about the rise of TB when we thought we had eradicated all those years ago.Polio is back with us.etc etc
The trouble with HIV is that it is extremely expensive to treat.Countries where it is rife,Nigeria,for instance,do not have the facilities or will to do anything about it. That is why it is correct to use this disease as an example.
Sufferers are deliberately hi-jacking our NHS for free treatment.Same can be said about the rise of TB when we thought we had eradicated all those years ago.Polio is back with us.etc etc
Whatever he picked on would have been picked up by the others who are running scared of the bogeyman not afraid to say what he (and many others) think.
To be honest I dont think he gives a hoot. He will never attract the labour, liberal or Tory party faithful who slate him at every opportunity and when you dont have the funding of the larger parties any publicity is good publicity.
To be honest I dont think he gives a hoot. He will never attract the labour, liberal or Tory party faithful who slate him at every opportunity and when you dont have the funding of the larger parties any publicity is good publicity.
The answer is simple.
Anyone coming into this country should be made to sign a form stating that they do not have certain medical conditions or diseases such as HIV (and believe me, if I was in charge, the list of diseases and medical conditions would be a very long one). Their details are then entered into a national database.
If they then present themselves to a GP/hospital with any of the said conditions or diseases they either show the colour of their money to pay for treatment or they are deported pronto.
Simple!
Anyone coming into this country should be made to sign a form stating that they do not have certain medical conditions or diseases such as HIV (and believe me, if I was in charge, the list of diseases and medical conditions would be a very long one). Their details are then entered into a national database.
If they then present themselves to a GP/hospital with any of the said conditions or diseases they either show the colour of their money to pay for treatment or they are deported pronto.
Simple!
bednobs
As I said earlier. HIV was used as an example because of the cost of treatment in the UK to the tax payer. Immigrants are abusing the system because they won't get the treatment in their own countries.
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That was the cost up to 2013 .What is it likely to be now?
As I said earlier. HIV was used as an example because of the cost of treatment in the UK to the tax payer. Immigrants are abusing the system because they won't get the treatment in their own countries.
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That was the cost up to 2013 .What is it likely to be now?
Our NHS is known throughout the world as a soft touch. This has to stop.
I have mentioned this story on here before.
I personally know a Ghanain who came here knowing full well that she had Lupus and end stage renal failure. She came here deliberately as a 'health tourist.' At a conservative estimate, this individual has cost the NHS around £1 million for her treatment...so far. This does NOT include all her benefits, the cost of the nursing home she now lives in etc...all paid for by us taxpayers.
It is an issue I feel very strongly about
I have mentioned this story on here before.
I personally know a Ghanain who came here knowing full well that she had Lupus and end stage renal failure. She came here deliberately as a 'health tourist.' At a conservative estimate, this individual has cost the NHS around £1 million for her treatment...so far. This does NOT include all her benefits, the cost of the nursing home she now lives in etc...all paid for by us taxpayers.
It is an issue I feel very strongly about
Yes I am aware that cancer treatment costs a lot.My chemo tablets cost £300 a box of 60 and I have already got through 16 boxes.
When I look at the faces in the vast out patients waiting room of The Royal Marsden Hospital on my bi-weekly visit I see lots of non white faces. I would bet my life savings that not one isn't receiving treatment they are not entitled to. I had to prove my bona fides as to residence and status etc.
When I look at the faces in the vast out patients waiting room of The Royal Marsden Hospital on my bi-weekly visit I see lots of non white faces. I would bet my life savings that not one isn't receiving treatment they are not entitled to. I had to prove my bona fides as to residence and status etc.
Me to Mrs O
My mother paid for my fathers care home when he had Alzheimers and I sold my mothers house to pay for her care home.We were actually subsidising a Spanish woman in my mother's care home who had lived in social housing and couldn't speak a word of English.My wife actually translated the needs of this woman to the staff on our frequent visits to my late mother. The fees were £800 per week.
My mother paid for my fathers care home when he had Alzheimers and I sold my mothers house to pay for her care home.We were actually subsidising a Spanish woman in my mother's care home who had lived in social housing and couldn't speak a word of English.My wife actually translated the needs of this woman to the staff on our frequent visits to my late mother. The fees were £800 per week.
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