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What Would Labour Do Differently?
I have asked Gulliver several times but I never get an answer, whilst I realize Sunak has lost his grip on the situation I would be interested in his (Gullivers that is) and other's responses
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TBF they would be pretty well indistinguishable in most areas. The Tories have stopped being the Tories and Labour have move to the centre Lib ground along side them. They oppose only because it's their job and they know that they are not sufficient to stop the government anyway. The main difference is that they'd put out the red carpet for immigrants and then claim to have fixed the issue. The trobiscites and wokestapo will probably get a boost but other than that I think they'd be much like Noo Layba but with a few reds under the bed.
Manifestos are a complete waste of time. It's impossible to stick to one anyway because circumstances change. All they do is put a straight jacket round the winners that inevitably gets ripped off and the morons in the press and opposition use it as a stick to beat the government with. Personally I'd not want a party to stick to a manifesto come what may. If I was ever fighting an election I'd not bother with one at all. All you need is a general statement of direction and intent.
Given the complexities involved in the migrant situation, I doubt that Labour would be able to do very much different from the Tories, although they cannot admit that, or do anything except promise something different, in order to secure votes at the next election.
The major problem for any government, is the sheer volume of migrants, both already here, and expected to come.
Because of the complexities of Human Rights legislation, any government is obliged to feed and house such migrants, pending process of their asylum request, and then the inevitable extended appeals processes that tie up the entire situation for months, heading for years.
We cannot easily extricate ourselves from those governing laws, and even if we could, the sheer volume of applications, and physical presence of the migrants offering them, makes the entire situation competely unworkable.
With no interest from France in keeping migrants there, when they can simply wave them across the Channel, the influx of boats is only ever going to grow.
I honestly cannot see a solution to this situation that will be in place in the next decade, if not well beyond it.
What i can se far more easily, is that if Labour are elected, they will inherit the entire horrible mess, and be in exactly the same situation, with exactly the same legal and numerical constraints as the Tories before them.
That said, it will be interesting to see what 'promises' Labour offer to the electorate in order to secure votes.
Quite why any politician would rush to be in a government that has this to contend with, is a mystery, but that's politics - power is everything, no matter how impossible it is to actually use it effectively.
The major problem for any government, is the sheer volume of migrants, both already here, and expected to come.
Because of the complexities of Human Rights legislation, any government is obliged to feed and house such migrants, pending process of their asylum request, and then the inevitable extended appeals processes that tie up the entire situation for months, heading for years.
We cannot easily extricate ourselves from those governing laws, and even if we could, the sheer volume of applications, and physical presence of the migrants offering them, makes the entire situation competely unworkable.
With no interest from France in keeping migrants there, when they can simply wave them across the Channel, the influx of boats is only ever going to grow.
I honestly cannot see a solution to this situation that will be in place in the next decade, if not well beyond it.
What i can se far more easily, is that if Labour are elected, they will inherit the entire horrible mess, and be in exactly the same situation, with exactly the same legal and numerical constraints as the Tories before them.
That said, it will be interesting to see what 'promises' Labour offer to the electorate in order to secure votes.
Quite why any politician would rush to be in a government that has this to contend with, is a mystery, but that's politics - power is everything, no matter how impossible it is to actually use it effectively.
naomi, to be fair to them there are over 175,000 backlog cases... ;)
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naomi - // Choux, I know, which is why I referred to it as a mounting nightmare. Rubber stamping them all would be a doddle though. Problem sorted. //
As horrific a scenario as that would present, it would indeed appear to 'solve' the crisis, with the added benefit of ticking all Labour's 'human rights' boxes into the bargain.
Of course, it will create a mass of problems following on, but that will not be seen as Labour's problem.
Short-term-ism in terms of formulating and implementing policies, is the major problem for all governments.
They look as far ahead as the next election, and avoid anything approaching long-term benefits for the country, which may be set up by them, but the results, and kudos, enjoyed by a subsequent government.
As horrific a scenario as that would present, it would indeed appear to 'solve' the crisis, with the added benefit of ticking all Labour's 'human rights' boxes into the bargain.
Of course, it will create a mass of problems following on, but that will not be seen as Labour's problem.
Short-term-ism in terms of formulating and implementing policies, is the major problem for all governments.
They look as far ahead as the next election, and avoid anything approaching long-term benefits for the country, which may be set up by them, but the results, and kudos, enjoyed by a subsequent government.
They would surrender to the trans mob and the eco lunatics, let all and sundry into the country, give all the public sector inflated pay rises. The country would then eventually be bankrupt then in the next election they will be ejected for the tories to mop up the mess and they will be accused of inflicting austerity on the country. So it continues.
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