Hospitals to close

[DrFilth]

the nhs needs more money or they will start to close by 2013

http://www.guardian.c...illion-save-hospitals

and where is our leader in libya having a walk round and probably promising more help to the new rebel leaders

[DrFilth]

http://www.independen...-new-era-2355065.html

[emmie]

this is coming from a former health advisor to Blair, well to paraphrase, well he would say that wouldn't he. As to DC, hopefully he is shoring up some good will in the coming months ahead, after all we still need oil, and they have it, add to that, the last thing Britain needs is one less ally, and Libya could well become one if DC and the foreign minister play their cards right.

[DrFilth]

strange country, we are skint yet we can always find money for overseas aid and wars

[gina32]

my thoughts exactly!

[DrFilth]

bombs are not cheap
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrK6L91BgA

[emmie]

bombs where?

[DrFilth]

how much has libya and afghanistan cost us em

[BrainsTracy]

what would you like him to be doing?

The NHS is a bottomless pit, most of its budget goes on layers of administration and Mis-management, there are more clerks than beds. if anything it needs a budget cut to sort out the chaff.

[emmie]

DF, loads, no one said that it wouldn't. I was set against going into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, but i am not a politician, and those who make the decisions are the ones holding the purse strings.

[DrFilth]

brains he seems to spend more time abroad then he spends here

[DrFilth]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUZGGFOV6FM&feature=related

[emmie]

DF in case you hadn't noticed, half the world is fighting, the other half trying to stop them, so sometimes, like a good politician should, they go and help, intervene, and sometimes give advice, along with sundry ministers. They have to be seen to be on the world stage, otherwise we are just seen as a minnow in a big sea. Shoring up countries like Libya for the future, we need oil, and to trade with other nations, otherwise we go under. And as pointed out the NHS is a bottomless pit, and you could pour 500 billion into it and it still wouldn't be enough.

[DrFilth]

http://www.dailymail....g-lists-increase.html

[tamborine]

DCam & NSarky are in Libya (SkyNews) offering medical help etc utilising the released billions hoarded by Gadafi.

They're are strings with every move we make and yes, money from oil :)

[Sqad]

///He predicts the end of the district general hospital that "tries to do everything for everybody". That is a hopeless business model, he says. "We have seen, in trauma, stroke care and angioplasty, that we have reduced the number of centres offering care – and clinical outcomes have improved. We need to educate the public to accept this."///

Hear! hear!

[DrFilth]

some people never hear
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFxbOZezhE&feature=related

[Zeuhl]

<<The NHS is a bottomless pit, most of its budget goes on layers of administration and Mis-management>>

That's a convenient cliché but I'm not sure it's true.

Most of the budget actually goes on providing lots of expensive procedures in lots of expensive hospitals with lots of staff - albeit with significant levels of waste but that is due to many things other than too much admin.

Admin is always an easy target but without it the medical professionals will not operate at the optimum efficiency we get from a steady throughput of scheduled patients.

And far from there being too many 'clerks', the delays I have recently experienced in arranging surgery was totally due to short staffed admin teams not pushing it through until I intervenied and did some 'administration' myself.

Under staffed admin also caused missed appointments with resulting waste of valuable medical professionals' time.
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[emmie]

stop employing endless top brass, they are not needed in any hospital, getting trust status, just seems a jolly for these people. Get on the board of a hospital and you have it made. Once you clear out the dead wood like that, and the pen pushers, and there are plenty, i know to some extent as i've worked in NHS hospitals, then you might be able to have a better more robust service.

[rov1100]

It might not seem very palitable but there are too many hospitals. Treatment for many operations is very specialised and we don't have the surgeons or top quality staff to deal with it in smaller hospitals. That is why economy of scale will be practiced with Centres of Excellence' grouped in major hospitals.

If people are worried about outcomes they should stop supporting their local hospital and have their relative treated in a modern centre which will mean more travelling.

[VHG]

The NHS does not need more money, it needs to get more efficient.

There is a reality TV show on at the moment (BBC1 I think) where they go to a hospital to try to make the food better.

The man running the program found they throw away FORTY PERCENT of the food they cook.

Nobody from the kitchens had ever bothered to go on to the wards to see what happens to the food and how much is wasted.

There are so many areas where they NHS could save money. As Gordon Brown found, if you keep throwing money at it then it just swallows it up.