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Bernard Hogan-Howe - looks like we've got the right man for the job!
Have people just seen the new Met Police Commissioner on the BBC news?
He sounds, frankly, brilliant. I've read that when he was Commissioner at Merseyside, he reduced crime by 40% (verification needed).
He talked about stop and search and came out with something really very clever - rather than wasting resources with wide ranging stop and search, officers would be directed to stop those who have already been done before.
Sounds like a very sensible man.
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He sounds, frankly, brilliant. I've read that when he was Commissioner at Merseyside, he reduced crime by 40% (verification needed).
He talked about stop and search and came out with something really very clever - rather than wasting resources with wide ranging stop and search, officers would be directed to stop those who have already been done before.
Sounds like a very sensible man.
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But the problem with mass stop and search are the results. They err...don't produce results.
"The new figures show that among the 10 boroughs with the highest knife crime figures, the biggest fall as a result of Operation Blunt 2 between April and October last year was in Islington, where knife crime dropped 25%. But Islington also saw the second fewest section 60 searches in the top 10 knife crime boroughs with only 840. By contrast Southwark, which had the second highest level of section 60 searches, with 9,437, actually saw knife crime rise by 8.6% over the same period"
That's from:
http://www.guardian.c...earch-operation-blunt
And given that this new Commissioner has a pretty impressive record from Merseyside, perhaps he's on to something?
But the problem with mass stop and search are the results. They err...don't produce results.
"The new figures show that among the 10 boroughs with the highest knife crime figures, the biggest fall as a result of Operation Blunt 2 between April and October last year was in Islington, where knife crime dropped 25%. But Islington also saw the second fewest section 60 searches in the top 10 knife crime boroughs with only 840. By contrast Southwark, which had the second highest level of section 60 searches, with 9,437, actually saw knife crime rise by 8.6% over the same period"
That's from:
http://www.guardian.c...earch-operation-blunt
And given that this new Commissioner has a pretty impressive record from Merseyside, perhaps he's on to something?
here's the story
http://www.guardian.c...ed-by-may?INTCMP=SRCH
I'm always suspicious when politicians set up committees to make recommendations and then ignore them - sort of like 'consultation' that amounts to 'this is what I'm going to do, like it or lump it'. Sounds like a political appointment to me, and anyone concerned that cuts leave them short of police cover in their neighbourhood can be confident the Met chief will not be on their side.
Stopping and searching only known criminals should give a big head start to those just starting out as career criminals.
http://www.guardian.c...ed-by-may?INTCMP=SRCH
I'm always suspicious when politicians set up committees to make recommendations and then ignore them - sort of like 'consultation' that amounts to 'this is what I'm going to do, like it or lump it'. Sounds like a political appointment to me, and anyone concerned that cuts leave them short of police cover in their neighbourhood can be confident the Met chief will not be on their side.
Stopping and searching only known criminals should give a big head start to those just starting out as career criminals.
http://www.dailymail....k-police-officer.html
/// Keith Jarrett, president of the National Black Police Association, said the strategy was necessary to combat inner-city gun and knife crime.///
/// The top black police officer has called for more young people to be stopped and searched for weapons - and said the black community wanted such action.///
Well it can't be any fairer than that can it?
/// Keith Jarrett, president of the National Black Police Association, said the strategy was necessary to combat inner-city gun and knife crime.///
/// The top black police officer has called for more young people to be stopped and searched for weapons - and said the black community wanted such action.///
Well it can't be any fairer than that can it?
Because he's black, so it must be alright if he says so?
That really is a rather simplistic view AOG.
I am not saying that what Keith Jarrett says is, or is not correct.
What I am saying is that the colour of his skin does not add any weight what so ever to his argument, any more than his officers would be tolerated for stopping black people on the basis of their skin colour.
That really is a rather simplistic view AOG.
I am not saying that what Keith Jarrett says is, or is not correct.
What I am saying is that the colour of his skin does not add any weight what so ever to his argument, any more than his officers would be tolerated for stopping black people on the basis of their skin colour.
andy-hughes
Did he say anything about black people? What he did call for was more young people to be stopped and searched for weapons.
That I take it meant black, white, or whatever other colour young person one cares to mention.
And it appears that the black community wanted such action.
It is you Andy who is trying to introduce more into this than there actually is, but then that is half the trouble, it is generally the white liberal left that are always speaking on behalf of what the black person in what offends them, which in turn does nothing to induce harmony between the races.
Did he say anything about black people? What he did call for was more young people to be stopped and searched for weapons.
That I take it meant black, white, or whatever other colour young person one cares to mention.
And it appears that the black community wanted such action.
It is you Andy who is trying to introduce more into this than there actually is, but then that is half the trouble, it is generally the white liberal left that are always speaking on behalf of what the black person in what offends them, which in turn does nothing to induce harmony between the races.
AOG - no he didn't - but you did.
I am certainly not trying to speak on behalf of anyone, apart from myself of course - it did appear from the text of you post that you inferred that if a black police officer thinks it's OK - and the black community think it's OK, then it must be OK.
It may well be - but not because any of them are black.
That was the point i was raising.
BTW - I am white - but your inference that I am 'liberal' and 'left wing' are labels which you have attached to me, and which bear no relation to my opinion, or my politics - neither of which you know well enough to place such catch-all labels upon me.
i am sure you will desdist from doing so in the future - after all, you would hardly enjoy being referred to as a reactionary right-wing facist would you?
I am certainly not trying to speak on behalf of anyone, apart from myself of course - it did appear from the text of you post that you inferred that if a black police officer thinks it's OK - and the black community think it's OK, then it must be OK.
It may well be - but not because any of them are black.
That was the point i was raising.
BTW - I am white - but your inference that I am 'liberal' and 'left wing' are labels which you have attached to me, and which bear no relation to my opinion, or my politics - neither of which you know well enough to place such catch-all labels upon me.
i am sure you will desdist from doing so in the future - after all, you would hardly enjoy being referred to as a reactionary right-wing facist would you?
/// AOG - no he didn't - but you did.///
I don't quite see what you mean by these words.
I didn't mention Black people either, but he defiantly did, if it is what you mean.
/// it did appear from the text of you post that you inferred that if a black police officer thinks it's OK - and the black community think it's OK, then it must be OK.///
Since it is common knowledge that the Black community are the people who are mostly effected by 'stop and search' methods by the police.
And because he is a Black police officer also the president of the National Black Police Association, and who says "the black community wanted such action taken"
Isn't it then perfectly correct to infer that the methods taken must be OK, in their opinion?
Regarding my inference that you are from the liberal left, that is because you give that impression by the very views that you display.
And yes I wouldn't enjoy being referred to as a 'reactionary right-wing fascist' as you so rudely suggested, yes right-wing maybe but you need not have added the other label, in the true liberal-left insulting way.
I have confessed my political leanings now and so as not to cause anymore confusion perhaps you now would care to do likewise?
I don't quite see what you mean by these words.
I didn't mention Black people either, but he defiantly did, if it is what you mean.
/// it did appear from the text of you post that you inferred that if a black police officer thinks it's OK - and the black community think it's OK, then it must be OK.///
Since it is common knowledge that the Black community are the people who are mostly effected by 'stop and search' methods by the police.
And because he is a Black police officer also the president of the National Black Police Association, and who says "the black community wanted such action taken"
Isn't it then perfectly correct to infer that the methods taken must be OK, in their opinion?
Regarding my inference that you are from the liberal left, that is because you give that impression by the very views that you display.
And yes I wouldn't enjoy being referred to as a 'reactionary right-wing fascist' as you so rudely suggested, yes right-wing maybe but you need not have added the other label, in the true liberal-left insulting way.
I have confessed my political leanings now and so as not to cause anymore confusion perhaps you now would care to do likewise?
"AOG - no he didn't - but you did." - mention the word 'black' in your post - three times in fact.
No I don't think it is to infer - it is his opinion, not apparently based on any analytical data, an opinion is fine, as long as it is expressed, and seen for what it is.
Again, with the opinion that I am 'liberal left' - it is based entirely on your opinion, without the courtesy of asking me if it is true or not.
"And yes I wouldn't enjoy being referred to as a 'reactionary right-wing fascist' as you so rudely suggested, yes right-wing maybe but you need not have added the other label, in the true liberal-left insulting way."
Please acknowledge the difference between a hypothetical question and a statement - I suggested an epithet you would not appreciate, i did not offer it to you as my opinion of you, in any way at all, much less the 'tru liberal left insulting way' - you see there you go again, assuming character and voting traits of me, of which you have no knowledge.
The confusion is not mine, but yours, so I see no need to nail my political or cultural colours to the mast - i merely ask that you desist from making broad assumptions of me when you do not have any proper evidence to back up your claims.
Your assessment of me based on what I post here is no more valid than Keityh Jarrett presuming to speak for 'the black comunity', whom so ever they may be.
Opinions and facts - I am sure you are intelligent enough to know the difference - perhaps, as one who constantly quotes other posters' responses and then picks apart their points line by line, you should be more careful in realising which is which, since when this proceedure is applied back to you, you tend to respond with hostility, however unfounded.
No I don't think it is to infer - it is his opinion, not apparently based on any analytical data, an opinion is fine, as long as it is expressed, and seen for what it is.
Again, with the opinion that I am 'liberal left' - it is based entirely on your opinion, without the courtesy of asking me if it is true or not.
"And yes I wouldn't enjoy being referred to as a 'reactionary right-wing fascist' as you so rudely suggested, yes right-wing maybe but you need not have added the other label, in the true liberal-left insulting way."
Please acknowledge the difference between a hypothetical question and a statement - I suggested an epithet you would not appreciate, i did not offer it to you as my opinion of you, in any way at all, much less the 'tru liberal left insulting way' - you see there you go again, assuming character and voting traits of me, of which you have no knowledge.
The confusion is not mine, but yours, so I see no need to nail my political or cultural colours to the mast - i merely ask that you desist from making broad assumptions of me when you do not have any proper evidence to back up your claims.
Your assessment of me based on what I post here is no more valid than Keityh Jarrett presuming to speak for 'the black comunity', whom so ever they may be.
Opinions and facts - I am sure you are intelligent enough to know the difference - perhaps, as one who constantly quotes other posters' responses and then picks apart their points line by line, you should be more careful in realising which is which, since when this proceedure is applied back to you, you tend to respond with hostility, however unfounded.
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