Why are Union people so stupid?

[Kayless]

http://news.sky.com/h...tics/article/16102394
The Goverenment has made a more than generous offer, do they really think this folly will change anything?

[johnk]

How would you feel if the benefits which were offered when you took a job were suddenly reduced whilst your bosses benifits were unaffected. Are the MPs taking the same cut?

[jake-the-peg]

In your opinion its more than generous

Its only better for those about to retire shortly - if you're not there's no better offer at all.

You are being paid less than the private sectr but a good pension was probably one of the reasons that made you take the job in the first place and now your pocket is being picked due to the greed and stupidity of Bankers in the private sector.

Why should public sector workers pay for the Greed and stupidity of Private sector Jack-the-lads?

[jake-the-peg]

Actually I've a good idea

A tobin tax on financial transactions to fund pulic sector pensions

How does that grab you?

[Ankou]

well seeing as the government has made one concession, why not try to hold out and get another?

[Old_Geezer]

Why are non-union people so stupid ? Probably for the same reasons. What is it with people ? Why are they all so stupid ? And why are those intend on imposing on the rest of us able to obtain positions where they can do so to their heart's content ? And why are so many just willing to doff their caps, tug their forelocks, and agree with them ? Is their any hope for people at all, ever ?

[Davethedog]

So lets see, you take a job with a pension + Benefits these benefits are then stripped out, you threaten to strike so the government then give you back a (small) part of what you have lost - meanwhile you will still have to pay additional money, out of your frozen salary, to try and get back to where you started.

So how is it (more than) generous? and why are they stupid?

Meanwhile the people who have done this, who are also publc servants lose not a penny.

Sky's right wing bias in action

[Kayless]

Yes, I would agree to that jake, if the public sector went over to money purchase schemes like the rest of us.

Whatever the rights and wrongs the thrust of this post is really about the folly of striking and penalising themselves further when they know the government cannot move further on this.

[Davethedog]

Cannot move further on? Where are they finding the money to shore up the banking system.

You know the fat cats that support the party, who are not union members.

[rov1100]

How can you expect any change when the union bosses are paid like senior executives of a multinational company. It is not uncommon for them to receive a salary of £120,000 a year as was quoted in the press a few weeks ago.

[Ankou]

prentis' salary is £92k a year, presumably the journos bung in other perks for reporting purposes.

[rojash]

I think the guy (can't remember which union) put it very well on TV last night:
"If someone steals 10 quid off you, then offers to give you a quid back, you don't tend to consider that a generous offer"

[craft1948]

jake how do you justify saying that their jobs are less well paid than the private sector. When I started working for the then Post Office Telephones it was one of the best paid clerical jobs in York.

[flip_flop]

Ignoring the fact that I've always struggled to see why the public purse (i.e, all of our money) should pay for the retirement of a public sector worker (I have to fund my own retirement - why can't they?) the fact of the matter is if we can't afford it we can't afford it.

I know a lot of public sector workers, and I get sick of the myth that they get poor wages because they are promised a nice pension - because if the public sector workers that I know are anything to go by, their salaries are extremely good.

All strikes do is cause resentment - they serve no real purpose. If they are annoyed because their pensions are not what they one were, well boo bloody hoo - neither is mine.

They can always take out a personal pension that many in the private sector have to do.

Frankly, I couldn't give a tinker's cuss that they are going to have to feel a bit of pain.

[Brenden]

flip-flop, agreed that public sector workers salaries are good, but they do have to pay in for their pension fund, a % of their wages I believe.

[flip_flop]

Quite Brenden, but 25% of our council tax goes into the public sector pension pot. 25%!

That means, in addition to funding my own retirement, I am also funding public sector pensions to the tune of £500 a year.

[Old_Geezer]

I know of a number of people who would be prepared to tell you they work in the public sector for a rather low wage. I don't think they'd agree their salary was good.

[sophie_1003]

But if you didn't you would have to pay for private education; health and any other public service which I'm guessing would come to far more.