Bisexual men disqualified from Gay Softball World Series for 'not being gay enough'

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....t-discrimination.html

Would our discrimination laws even allow a 'Gay' sports team?

[ludwig]

..If anyone kicks up a fuss, just say 'don't flatter yourself love - you haven't got anything I'm interested in'. That'll put the record straight and pour oil on troubled waters.

[ludwig]

sorry, my last was to andy of course. Naomi snuck in there.

[craft1948]

Does this mean that the next time the daughter goes to G.A.Y. she'll get thrown out?

[andy-hughes]

Fair point ludwig and Naomi - i think this is the only instance where my seriously low self-image works in my favour.

I don;t agree that your women's changing room' point is comparable ludwig - cultural attitudes between mane and women are established on the basis that gender identification is instant and visual - wheras orientation identification is neither - hence my point. If you don't know a gay man is appraising you, why would you be worried / upset about it?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

Sorry to be late on parade andy, but i have been busy with other threads and forgot all about this one.

But I don't think I need to elaborate on some of the other poster's answers, ludwig's especially.

/// If you don't know a gay man is appraising you, why would you be worried / upset about it? ///

As ludwig has already pointed out to you, it would be enough to know that he was homosexual, your point of him specifically appraising you, wouldn't come into it.

Enjoy your cake.

[joggerjayne]

Surely it's always flattering to be "appraised" ... even by someone of your own sex.

[naomi24]

//If you don't know a gay man is appraising you, why would you be worried / upset about it? //

That makes no sense. If you were unaware that a gay man was 'appraising' you, it follows that you couldn't be upset - but that's irrelevant because ignorance is not the issue here.

[jackthehat]

As a gay person who is completely unable to control my wandering eyes or lascivious thoughts whenever I am in proximity to a semi-clad (or worse) person of the same sex..........I think I'd have to say, "Get over yourselves".

I would also say that finding themselves in such a 'changing-room' situation is far more like torture for an 'out' gay person than the 'sweet-shop' scenario you are imagining; because I would know what *you* were thinking and I'd feel (rightly or wrongly) that I was being unfairly judged and scrutinised for any signs of arousal...involuntary, or otherwise.
My embarrassment at your obviously coy dis/robing would see me complete the task facing the wall........thereby enabling you to preserve whatever sense of well-being you feel I threaten...

[joggerjayne]

If we can't check each other out in the gym changing rooms, you might as well just go straight home and shower at home.

=-(

[ludwig]

// If you don't know a gay man is appraising you, why would you be worried / upset about it? //

Obviously you wouldn't - but that's not the situation we're talking about.

Jack - please don't misrepresent the point I'm making. There's absolutely no insinuation on my part that people are RIGHT to be worried about being in a changing room with gays because they're likely to jump you the first chance they get, or any such crap.

I'm simply saying it's not unreasonable for them to feel uncomfortable in that situation in the same way that a man would feel uncomfortable being naked in front of a woman and vice versa. It doesn't make them homophobic, which is what andy was implying.

Perhaps in an ideal world no-one would give a monkeys. We'd all be adult enough to realise we've all basically got the same bits with a couple of variations and the world would be a big nudist colony. For whatever reason it's just not like that though.

Would you be happy to have a bath in front of me? If not, why not? Is it because you think I wouldn't be able to control myself? - In which case maybe you should 'get over yourself'.

[jackthehat]

Next time you're in Blackpool give me a call..........we'll put our theories to the test, eh? :o)

[ludwig]

Fantastic! - I live Blackpool..I'll see you in front of the tower 7pm tonight.
I'll be the naked bloke with a pink ribbon on my todger. ;o)

[joggerjayne]

"I'll be the naked bloke with a pink ribbon on my todger"

(Googles "trains from Brighton to Blackpool")

[naomi24]

I agree with Ludwig - again. 'Getting over yourself' isn't the issue. If I were in that situation the chances are no one would 'fancy' me - but nevertheless, personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable.

[anotheoldgit]

joggerjayne

/// Surely it's always flattering to be "appraised" ... even by someone of your own sex. ///

That surely is a female thing, doesn't work with most males, if it did one would view it with a certain amount of trepidation.

[ludwig]

I think you're both wrong. It's not always flattering to be appraised; depending on the circumstances and the pople involved it can feel intimidating and intrusive, but that applies to men and women alike oldgit.

[pa___ul3]

I'm with JJ on this point, it's a compliment, simple as that, and I've had chaps being a little over forward in their persuit, you just brush them off as if it were an ugly lass. If you attract unwanted attention it's your own fault for looking so damn hot!

[joggerjayne]

Come on, I can't think of any circs in which it isn't jolly to have someone check you out.

If your pals say, don't look round, but there's a girl over there checking out your bum ... and you've spent the morning in the gym ...

... how can you not think ... Yesss!!!

[ludwig]

How about while you're actually in the gym, sweating away on the stepper
and there's some pervy looking old geezer, with his tongue hanging out and his hands shuffling around suspiciously in his raincoat pockets leering through the window.?

[ludwig]

..people don't like that kind of thing. Trust me - I've been thrown out of places for it. :o)