Are these racist crimes?

[anotheoldgit]

Can one be charged with racial offences when it is white British against white Scottish, or white British against white French or white British against white German even, or any such similar combinations?

The reason I ask is because it has often been said on this site that one can't, as these are nationalities and not races.

Yet it appears one can judging by this case.

http://www.dailymail....our-4-years-hell.html

[Philtaz]

One thing's for sure.....







"They don't like it up 'em"!

[rov1100]

///If found guilty he could face up to two years’ jail.///

As he is living in the past wouldn't 2 years in a POW camp be more suitable.

[jno]

slightly bizarre, I would have thought ordinary harassment charges would do. No, I don't see why being German is a race. I wonder what the court will decide.

[hc4361]

Defined by the CPS for the purpose of prosecuting under English law:

Racial group – this means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin

http://www.cps.gov.uk...n/rrpbcrbook.html#a02


So it does include nationality as well as race.

[sandyRoe]

Isn't it time we let bygones be bygones ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wveW9Tw2JKE

[Philtaz]

Unfortunately it'll never die out sandy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1M730cYkic

[anotheoldgit]

/// Isn't it time we let bygones be bygones ? ///

That would be nice Sandy, but there are some who wont let us forget the slave trade nearly 200 years ago, never mind about what happened only 60 odd years ago.

[jno]

thanks, hc. Sounds like a catch-all (and rather inaccurate) legal phrase, then. Outside of the courts, though, I'm not sure hating (say) Australians is really the mark of a racist.

[sandyRoe]

Oh, I don't know. Coming over, taking our bar jobs. Bloomin Aussies.

[jno]

well, that's what I mean, sandy, it is most certainly socially acceptable to hate Aussies and it would be very wrong of the human rights people to try to intervene when they are being stoned in the streets.

[andy-hughes]

It is a fine legal line it appears.

Your Question asks if the genleman involved can be charged - and it appears he can - so is a subsequent Question - should he be charged?

Apologies if I am going off-piste AOG, I am merely interested in expanding the debate a little futher.

[eyethenkyew]

"white British against white Scottish" begs the question(s):

1: Who or what is the definition of "white British"?

2: Is "white Scottish" not also "white British"?

[anotheoldgit]

Hi Andy, it's been a little quiet on here this year.

Expand it anyway you like Andy providing we get a conclusive answer.

[dave50]

Anyone should be able to dislike anyone else for whatever reason they see fit.

[anotheoldgit]

eyethenkyew

Don't be so pedantic, you know what I mean, but then yes I do blame myself for not using that almost extinct word, 'English'.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Anyone should be able to dislike anyone else for whatever reason they see fit. ///

Well said that man.

[Philtaz]

/// Anyone should be able to dislike anyone else for whatever reason they see fit. ///

Well said that man. AOG.
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You're not serious?

[andy-hughes]

Depends on what form that 'dislike' takes.

I dislike a number of people, but they probably remain blissfully unaware of my feelings, which is the way i would wish it to be.

If dislike takes the form of proactive intimidation - as alleged here - then that moves the issue onto an entirely different level, and an unacceptbale level in a civilised society.

You are right AOG - it is quiet, but there is plenty of time to go ...

[eyethenkyew]

"you know what I mean"??? Duh......really??? Mmmmmmmhhhhh.......

So..."white British" = "English"??? Mmmmmmhhhhhhhh.........

So..."black British" would be not English? Mmmmmmmhhhhh.......

[rojash]

"I'm not sure hating (say) Australians is really the mark of a racist."

What would you call it then?