ChatterBank2 mins ago
government snooping
I wonder why the government think this is necessary or indeed remotely right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17580906
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17580906
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It is the usual excuse ''needed to stop serious crime and terrorism'' but once they have the power there will be no way to check why or if it is being used.
At the moment they need the permission of a High court judge to do it and permission can only be granted inexceptiona
At the moment they need the permission of a High court judge to do it and permission can only be granted inexceptiona
07:07 Mon 02nd Apr 2012
It is the usual excuse ''needed to stop serious crime and terrorism'' but once they have the power there will be no way to check why or if it is being used.
At the moment they need the permission of a High court judge to do it and permission can only be granted inexceptional cases. Once they get the power to tap phones etc without having to ask anyone it is certain to be abused.
At the moment they need the permission of a High court judge to do it and permission can only be granted inexceptional cases. Once they get the power to tap phones etc without having to ask anyone it is certain to be abused.
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Interestingly, the media flak seems to be coming from unexpected areas ...
... I suspect that us godless, commie, pro-euro scum (© Daily Mail ad nauseam) have always assumed that GCHQ can/does see everything we do and have thus acted accordingly. It's the godfearing, conservative, little-britain brigade who seem to be suddenly outraged that someone might be listening ... :+)
... I suspect that us godless, commie, pro-euro scum (© Daily Mail ad nauseam) have always assumed that GCHQ can/does see everything we do and have thus acted accordingly. It's the godfearing, conservative, little-britain brigade who seem to be suddenly outraged that someone might be listening ... :+)
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In fact I think you're the one being niaive
Terrorism is currently a relatively controlled threat to most of us
in 2010 318 members of the public were killed in the UK in industrial accidents
How many were killed by terrorism?
How about 2009? 2008?
Ah yes you say but the risk!
Where do you get your idea of risk from? Probably the media - who are often briefed by the Government - who want these powers.
I don't say that they do not need these powers - I say they have not made the case for needing them.
And anybody who just says it's to stop terrorism end of story - Well I think that's a rather niaive position
Terrorism is currently a relatively controlled threat to most of us
in 2010 318 members of the public were killed in the UK in industrial accidents
How many were killed by terrorism?
How about 2009? 2008?
Ah yes you say but the risk!
Where do you get your idea of risk from? Probably the media - who are often briefed by the Government - who want these powers.
I don't say that they do not need these powers - I say they have not made the case for needing them.
And anybody who just says it's to stop terrorism end of story - Well I think that's a rather niaive position
I also find it rather strange that the people supporting these measures seem to be the same people who don't trust politicians as far as they could spit and think there all a worthless buch of low lifes.
And yet the moment they say the word "terrorism" you'll run for your little holes and say "Oh yes yes here take whatever powers you need - save us from the nasty muslems"
They've got you right where they want you haven't they? right on the end of a little piece of string!
And yet the moment they say the word "terrorism" you'll run for your little holes and say "Oh yes yes here take whatever powers you need - save us from the nasty muslems"
They've got you right where they want you haven't they? right on the end of a little piece of string!
I think you are all missing the point .... "anyone who assumes that the 'government' aren't doing this already is living in a fantasy world"
Communication, using anything more sophisticated than two baked-bean cans and a piece of string, can and will be intercepted if automated systems (or humans) think it useful/necessary.
Communication, using anything more sophisticated than two baked-bean cans and a piece of string, can and will be intercepted if automated systems (or humans) think it useful/necessary.
