In a word . . . .

[sir.prize]

Pathetic

http://uk.news.yahoo....-child-160929201.html

[missprim]

I have 3 children and don't think I've ever had romantic sex.

Lol ummmm this thread could do with a little light heartedness.

[sir.prize]

Do you think all babies are conceived romantically? <br/> <br/> I have 3 children and don't think I've ever had romantic sex.

ummmm, ermmmm that's a totally different subject.

[anotheoldgit]

What did they say in 'Fawlty Towers'?

DON'T MENTION THE GERMANS!!!!

Seems like on AnswerBank it is also "DON'T MENTION THE HOMOSEXUALS, 'THE BLACKS', 'THE MUSLIMS' OR 'IMMIGRATION.

Ah well what else can we discuss, because it seems that these four topics attract the highest number of replies.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Do you think all babies are conceived romantically? ///

/// I have 3 children and don't think I've ever had romantic sex. ///

What a very, very sad statement to make, perhaps you should try it sometime.

[Gromit]

Sir.prizw

You are welcome to your opinion, but why the reluctance to explain how you arrived at that view? To just keep repeating pathetic but not to tell us why is a poor argument.

[ludwig]

You seem to think that in order for the discussion to be valid, everyone has to agree with you oldgit.

If anyone says they disagree, you get all mardy and accuse them of trying to shut you up and stifle the debate. 'twas ever thus.

[naomi24]

Gromit, yes, 'pathetic' doesn't really explain a lot, does it.

[naomi24]

AOG, and who was complaining about attitude?

[sir.prize]

Gromit. Firstly I did not make a comment to create an argument.

Secondly it is nice to know that you will allow me to have an opinion.

Thirdly - how did I arrive at that view? Probably my perfectly normal upbringing, Gromit.

Finally - yes it was my view, and others on here have differing opinions. That does not make them or even me wrong.

[ummmm]

Don't want to try it, AOG. I haven't got a romantic bone in my body. Sex isn't about romance. There is nothing romantic about having sex. Some people enjoy the romance before getting to bed.....it's out the window from that point.

So, had they wined and dined the surrogate, bought her flowers and played sweet music, before inseminating her with a turkey baster.....that'll be fine?

[Sipowicz]

" it's out of the window from that point" You're doing it wrong!

[sp1814]

naomi

You wrote:

"I disagree. I think it's understandable that some people think children are better off having both female and male influences in their lives"

Which is exactly my point. Why do people assume that children brought up by two gay men will have no contact with women? There are aunts, cousins, grannies etc etc...all of whom will have an impact positive and negative on the child's upbringing.

So it goes back to my question - why, when there isn't a shred of evidence to prove that children from same-sex relationships are at a disadvantage, do some people insist they are?

[sp1814]

Okay - let's park the word 'homophobic' (by the way bazwillrun - the word 'homophobic' wasn't hijacked by anyone - that was a very niave thing to write).

Why are children of same-sex relationships at a disadvantage.

I'm happy to be educated on this, because I've read a few studies from US universities which have concluded the very opposite.

[anotheoldgit]

ludwig

/// You seem to think that in order for the discussion to be valid, everyone has to agree with you oldgit.///

/// If anyone says they disagree, you get all mardy and accuse them of trying to shut you up and stifle the debate. 'twas ever thus. ///

I have never said everyone must agree with me, but it is the attitude taken against me when I fail to agree with them that I have a grievance with, such as your reference of me being 'Mardy' for instance.

Petty name calling and various other methods are often used to try and belittle, alienate or ridicule a person, but this only goes to highlights a persons inability to conduct a reasonable 'for or against' argument.

[sp1814]

AOG

"Ah well what else can we discuss, because it seems that these four topics attract the highest number of replies."

No - on AB, the general rule is mention all of those, because these are topics that polarise people, and are therefore more interesting and will get a higher response rate.

[ludwig]

Why do people assume that children brought up by two gay men will have no contact with women

They'll have contact with women, but they won't have a female parental role model - and whilst that's not essential by any means, I personally think it's preferable.

[ummmm]

You're doing it wrong!

I assure I'm not :-)

My point was in response to AOG saying it was clinical.

[ummmm]

Not strictly true ludwig. Just because people don't live in the same house doesn't mean they can't play an active parental role. My grand parents, uncles and aunts all played an active role in my upbringing.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

Now there is a whole new topic up for discussion. taking the fact that children should be brought up in a happy and loving relationship between two people.

"Does one need to be romantic and loving to enjoy sex"?

[bazwillrun]

"(by the way bazwillrun - the word 'homophobic' wasn't hijacked by anyone - that was a very niave thing to write). "

A simple look back at numerous posts on this site, as if this particular thread wasnt enough (and on plenty of other forums inhabited by numerous lefties and handwringers) will show you how very wrong you are....yet again

PS try not to be so patronising, its very annoying