Islam at it's very worse.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....ours-AFTER-death.html

Is this not one of the most abominable and disgusting practices to be introduced by a Islamic-dominated parliament?

[naomi24]

Em, here's Ladybirder's link.

http://english.alarab...012/04/25/210198.html

[DTCwordfan]

Ok, there does seem to be some truth to it but place it in context.

The key issue is that women's rights are under attack in Egypt with the much more "traditionalist/Sharia driven Muslim government looking to repress a wide range of laws.

It appears that as an example they have seized on the views of some Moroccan nutter cleric, Zamzami Abdul Bari who has come out with alternative early history views in the past.

It is he who has said that marriage remains valid even after death adding that a woman also too had the same right to engage in sex with her dead husband - and that a woman could also shag her hubbie (how remains unanswered).

Two years ago, Zamzami incited further controversy in Morocco when he said it was permissible for pregnant women to drink alcohol. But it now seems his view on partners having sex with their deceased partners has found its way to Egypt one year on.

I quote from Al Arabiya:

"Egyptian prominent journalist and TV anchor Jaber al-Qarmouty on Tuesday referred to Abdul Samea’s article in his daily show on Egyptian ON TV and criticised the whole notion of “permitting a husband to have sex with his wife after her death under a so-called ‘Farewell Intercourse’ draft law.”

“This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni? This is unbelievable. It is a catastrophe to give the husband such a right! Has the Islamic trend reached that far? Is there really a draft law in this regard? Are there people thinking in this manner?”

In other words, it is speculation and does not mean that The Government are seeking this - they are,however, looking to reintroduce marriage at 14, or puberty.

[emmie]

that was for DT's benefit, he said he didn't believe it.

[DTCwordfan]

Found the same link, Naomi.....great minds but I didn't see it earlier...however it does explain the situation

[emmie]

crossing posts, but yes the idea that women could be the losers, yet again, if the hardliners get their way, that is not a good thing.

[naomi24]

Jom, I read your link, and the first thing that sprang to mind was 'good grief!!' - but perhaps in this instance I should find a different expression of utter abhorrence!

[DTCwordfan]

I am in concurrence with that and there is a fair whack in Arabic about that.....

[emmie]

whilst many want freedom, democracy, there seem to be those who wish to deny it to them. Not a system that is fair, nor indeed forward thinking. The modern age seems to be passing some of these dinosaurs right by.

[DTCwordfan]

Yes em, and it could tear the Middle East apart; when are the decent Muslims, of which a huge percentage are kind, benevolent and decent people, rise up and say enough is enough. The strife could also come interfaith too as these kind of pronouncements will offend sects such as the Sunnis, Sufis, Ibadis and smaller ones like the Progressive Bohras

[emmie]

indeed, and that is what you can see, The moderates should be the ones to say enough, and they are in the majority as you say. But quite honestly
i wonder if they have the spirit for it, just like in Britain, when do you honestly ever hear a moderate Muslim speak against the likes of Abu Hamza, Abu Qatada, not very often. It would go a long way i think with ordinary people in Britain, those secular and of other faiths if they did. It's because they don't speak, the unspeakable ones get heard.

[jomifl]

em10, the fact that the decent and honourable muslims are never heard leads one to suspect that there aren't any.

[Brenden]

Because there is no moderate Islam, hey em did it send a shiver down your spine when George Galloway said this was "The Bradford Springs" - did mine.

[emmie]

I have worked with people from around the globe, all colours, nationalities, religions, and the Muslims i have come across were decent, hard working individuals. Ok i can't vouch for their home life, but the ones i knew were not strident in any respect. They cared for their families, religion, but at no time did you hear anything that could be construed as militant, they wanted a quiet life, settled in Britain. To raise their families, and just get on with it, just like everyone else.

[sp1814]

jomifi

Bit of an ignorant statement really.

[emmie]

strangely silent for some reason.

[pdq1]

Almost as preposterous as meeting virgins in heaven. I bet that info is not in the Koran.

[ll_billym]

Some Egyptian sources on Twitter are saying it's only a rumour and even the Huffington Post has posted something to that effect.

https://twitter.com/#!/TheMiinz

Oh well, I wasn't outraged anyway.

[jomifl]

sp1814, no not ignorant, that would imply that I was making an ill informed statement. What I said was substantially true, I do not hear muslims condemning the usual atrocities. My conclusion may have been contentious but it is an arguable point. Now you can explain what was ignorant about my statement. It is not enough just to say 'bit of an ignorant statement really' that does not constitute a reasoned argument.