Record numbers embrace Muslim faith.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independen...im-faith-2175178.html

/// "Converts who become extremists or terrorists are, of course, a legitimate story," said Mr Mughal. "But my worry is that the saturation of such stories risks equating all Muslim converts with being some sort of problem when the vast majority are not". ///

What is Fiyaz Mughal, director of Faith Matters actually suggesting that all such stories should be somehow less saturated in some way?

How does he suggest that this can be done?

[emmie]

no one forgets, who can when we are constantly be reminded that it's the few who do these things. All the while ignoring the fact that it's often Muslim against Muslim. I wish that we had stayed out of these hotspots, like Iraq and Afghanistan. But tell me who complains when it all goes pear shaped, and they need help. Britain shouldn't follow the USA into any more wars, especially in the Middle East, if they have a beef, then let them sort it out.

[pdust]

*no one forgets, who can when we are constantly be reminded that it's the few who do these thing*

surely then thats a good thing....

*all the while ignoring the fact that its often muslim against muslim*

theres been quite a few atrocities that werent muslim against muslim....

Who started the first world war ? Muslims ? Who started the second world war ? Muslims ? Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Muslims ?? Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in south America ? Muslims ?? Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ?? No , They weren’t Muslims!!! First of all, You have to define terrorism properly… If a non-Muslim do something bad..it is crime. But if a Muslim commit same..he is terrorist… So first remove this double standard…then come to the point!!!


thats just a copy and paste em and not me shouting at you with all the ??? and !!!!! ..... its sad but true


ps.. i did a typo on my last answer and added an extra 'not'

[emmie]

we were not discussing war at all, in fact the whole thing has gone off post.
As to why anyone would embrace Islam. I don't know, but i find it sad that anyone has to turn to any religion to make sense of their life.

[pdust]

does it matter what was being discussed? it doesnt seem to matter when someone posts something and it turns into a muslim bashing free for all does it?

i was just replying to your comment of its often muslim against muslim... i just posted to show its often not as well

[pdust]

and then you start on with personal digs because you know my post was true and you probably have no answer for it

[emmie]

current uprisings, Arab Spring, call it what you will. Past times are just that, past. The world is in turmoil, and i cannot see that our presence in any of the places i have already mentioned should be something we should continue with, nor should we have gone there in the first place.
Many Muslims would have fought in all those wars you mentioned by the way, just as did Christian, Jew, Gentile, that is the nature of a world war, alas all in it together. As to slavery, the hand of Arabs were involved certainly, as they were centuries ago. That is another matter entirely.

AOG, there is no answer as to why some do, perhaps in time someone on AB who has will enlighten us.

[pdust]

*Past times are just that, past. *

so a few years down the line none of whats happening in the ME will matter is that what you are trying to say? im confused ....

and i guess you are right that muslims fought in the wars.... but i dont believe they started any of it did they? you made the statement *All the while ignoring the fact that it's often Muslim against Muslim. * i was just showing that often it wasnt or isnt

[anotheoldgit]

/// Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ?? No.///

Perhaps before blaming the West for the entire slave trade perhaps you should consult your history books.

A very large amount of slave trade was conducted by Muslims, ever heard of the Barbary Pirates for example?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...white_slaves_01.shtml

[emmie]

none of it will matter, because we won't know, having passed on, died, kicked the bucket. Those with some sort of faith may find salvation who knows.

[pdust]

*A very large amount of slave trade was conducted by Muslims*

7000-9000 aog? yeah thats huge figures compared to 180 million (whether thats a correct figure im not sure but i am sure its a hell of a lot higher than the very large amount you've mentioned

[emmie]

AOG is correct by the way, piracy has been a mainstay of life for centuries, and something i remembered reading a little while back. Over a million Europeans were captured over time and sold into slavery by North African pirates. It was centuries ago of course, but no one is immune from barbarous acts.

[anotheoldgit]

There problem is the fact that slavery and other atrocities still take place today.

http://thewe.cc/conte...ive/darfur_sudan.html

[pdust]

so true about the atrocities continuing today aog... thousands of innocent civilians have been killed (raped, tortured, humilated) in the ME by western troops, its a tragedy

[emmie]

all the more reason to get the hell out of there.

[naomi24]

//its a tragedy//

So is this.

http://www.theanswerb.../Question1129373.html

[anotheoldgit]

pdust

/// thousands of innocent civilians have been killed (raped, tortured, humilated) in the ME by western troops, its a tragedy ///

You keep coming out with all these anti-Western impetuous statements, but you shy away from providing any proof whatsoever to back them up.

[pdust]

aog are you saying you have never seen any reports of this kind of thing going on? do you not believe thousands of innocent civilians have been killed and other subjected to rape or torture?

[pdust]

and please dont put me in the same narrow minded class as yourself.... its not an anti western statement its more an anti crazy individuals taking the law into their own hands while they are out there... i for one do not assume a whole people can be compared to a few.

[anotheoldgit]

pdust

I still await your proof, so until such times as you can provide such proof I can no longer discuss the matter further with you.

I will also continue to class them anti-Western statements until such times as you can prove otherwise.

Regarding the insult you threw at me ie /// and please dont put me in the same narrow minded class as yourself. ///

I do not put you in the same class as myself period.

[Gromit]

Civilian Casualties of the Afghanistan invasion is put at between 14,411 and 17,208.

That is the equivalent to SIX 9/11s.