Lesson for Cameron from Sarkozy defeat

[Gromit]

France has rejected a Conservative Austerity Government. A weak economy and rising unemployment just like here has been ditched by the French people. A desperate lurch to court the far right failed miserably.

Many are urging Cameron down the same path. That can only lead to failure. The British Coalition Government has to listen and not resign a generation of young people to long unemployment. The Coalition must go for growth and not let us wallow in a double dip recession.

Can Cameron Survive? Will the Coalition run the full term? Will they learn the lessons from France?

[jomifl]

Generating civil service jobs may reduce unemployment but it doesn't produce income just more debt and higher taxes. Socialism in it's purest form.

[joggerjayne]

Socialist Governments always run out of money.

Simple fact.

They spend all they can.

Then they sell off the national reserves, and spend some more.

Then they borrow, and spend some more.

Sooner or later, they are totally in the financial crap, and they lose office, and spend the following five years blaming other people for their mess.

Always HAS happened.

Always WILL happen.

And it will happen to the French.

[Gromit]

// Socialist Governments always...sell off the national reserves.. //

You mean like our Electricity production. And British Gas. And our stake in BP. And our Water companies. Not to mention TSB.

The family silver had been sold long before Blair (it would be stupid to call him a socialist) got Labour back into power.

[DTCwordfan]

???? British Gas and BP? (the Government golden key, yes, and so that should have been- it was blocking their expansion......both companies are still majority British and have expanded enormously to the benefit of their shareholders here and the UK taxman.

And then Brit companies can't buy overseas companies out as many have done......How little Britain, how naive.

[DTCwordfan]

And the TSB, only owned by that pseudo government company, called Lloyds.

[jno]

yep, selling off the family silver was a Tory programme. That's how we got Virgin trains and EDF. (I forget which country "F" stands for.)

[DTCwordfan]

Blair -London Underground, the Air Traffic Control, PFIs (in the hospitals the gold) - not bad for a Conservative Prime Minister who was definitely a very slimy leader - and the suggestion he wants to come back.

Christ would stand a better chance.

I am reminded of Will Hutton's words:

"The more I have thought about his (Blair's) politics the more I have come to see his religious belief as the missing piece of his personality, which he has chosen to keep buried in secular times for fear of being cast as preachy or part of the God squad. Without an understanding of his religion, both friends and enemies make the easy charge that Blair is the true heir to Mrs Thatcher, a crypto-Tory, a Trojan horse for American capitalism and Bush’s yes-man.
It’s shallow and misses the larger point. His attachment to Labour is through the common values which come from his religion. For Blair, socialist and Christian values reinforce each other and overlap. He believes in the fraternity and equality of humanity under God.

Christ would stand a better chance of success in UK politics.

[jno]

uh, the London Underground?

[DTCwordfan]

Oh how memories are short:

http://pubs.socialist....uk/sr251/fermont.htm

[Gromit]

The Trustee Savings Bank was privatised in 1986 after being a mutual for over a century. How did that work out?

We had to spend £hundreds of billions to save it from bankruptcy under the Lloyds Group mismanagement.

Utter madness.

[Gromit]

London Underground?

Is that the London Underground operated by Transport for London and run by Boris Johnson?

Are you claiming Blair privatised it? If not, what was your point in bringing it up?

[DTCwordfan]

yes brought down by Labour mismanagement too...shame; the want to load us with national debt, a debt that could be exacerbated in the days to come by their endorsment of the Euro (and their want to join that illustrious club)......

Hence our proper prudence at the moment to bring debt under control and then slowly push on the growth accelerator, a growth underpinned by better fundamentals and not some Tony and Gordon "South Sea Bubble " policy

[DTCwordfan]

that New Labour under TB was desperate to baksheesh the Beatty Group - read the attached socialist article I sent across ^ - in short Blair was a moron as was Brown and the two of them tipped us into having to take the pain today, a pain that Europe will not sort out now as to their socialist model and debt.

[Gromit]

Labour were in power for 13 years and rejected the €uro. Despite the CBI constantly urging us to join.

Totally ingenuous to say Labour support it.

[DTCwordfan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk..._politics/1701014.stm

[Gromit]

The Coalition are borrowing more than the last year of the Labour Government and they are spending more than them too.

Their five year plan to reduced the deficit is in tatters and they will not do it.

We are no further on than we were under Brown. The last two years have been wasted and we are back in recession.

[DTCwordfan]

I am heading to bed now.

Plenty of articles out there on this subject of Labour and the Euro.

Chew over this one:
http://www.guardian.c...uro-secret-peter-hain

[DTCwordfan]

trying to change direction, huh - you ought to be an MP, Gromit......

debt below target borrowing levels, a legacy of the hangover of your irrepsonsible lot.

Night.

[Gromit]

Is that the best you can do DT. A 10 year opinion piece that time proved to be total ***. Brown was against the Euro. He was Chancellor and PM for 13 years. If he ever supported it, it would have happened. It didn't. Simply daft to keep insisting Labour supported joinng the Euro when history proves the opposite.

[Gromit]

Not changing the subject, just cross posting.