All Stand

[jake-the-peg]

Thrown out for not standing for the national anthem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...england-tyne-18141421


Thrown out for being gay

http://news.bbc.co.uk...i/england/8578787.stm

Similar or not?

[China Doll]

I wouldn't have thought so, it's not illegal to not stand for the national anthem, (although you'd be a prize tit if you felt the way I did and went in to some mad monarchists tea room), however it is illegal to discriminate against people based on race, sex, age, sexuality, etc... so to me, not similar.

[daffy654]

Would she throw a disabled person out if they were unable to stand I wonder?

[FredPuli43]

Daffy, impossibility of performance is a defence.( All right, sometimes it's an excuse!)

[sp1814]

JTP

I think she's shot herself in the foot on this one. I can imagine while loads if people turning up at 14:45, ordering tea and cake, refusing to stand for the national anthem, and then being thrown out without paying.

[ludwig]

Not similar. Not standing for the national anthem is a choice you make. They decided they weren't going to abide by the rules of the establishment. Nothing wrong with that, but if you make that decision you have to accept the consequences.

Being gay isn't a choice, it's just who someone is, which is why it's wrong - and illegal - to discriminate against them.

[boxtops]

It's not similar, it's the tealady's choice about who she serves - she's got some good publicity out of it.

[pastafreak]

I wonder how she copes with non-British tourists?
Considering she sees it all as a laugh,she has a less than funny way of dealing with anyone who does not share her 'eccentricity' for whatever reason.

[pdq1]

For those glad to be anti-monarchist must present a real problem for the human rights act.

[New Judge]

They are similar in that the owner of each of the premises is enforcing rules or standards which they feel entitled - and in my opinion should be entitled - to do. There the similarity ends because the owner of the tea rooms will escape sanction but the owner of the B&B will almost certainly face prosecution, be obliged to pay punitive damages and may, depending on their circumstances, lose their livelihood.

[sp1814]

New Judge is correct - and it makes me feel very happy indeed for a subsection of Christians to really know what it feels like to suffer a bit.

I mean - they've spent 2,000 years doing all they can to make the lives of gays as miserable as they can - time for them to taste a bit of their own medicine.

Christian philosophy and teachings are the reason why some gay kids try to kill themselves.

For this reason, I find it extremely difficult to summon up any sympathy for those who treat gays as second class citizens (because of their belief in magic mystical beings).

[emmie]

sp
where in the article does it state the guest house owner is a Christian. It says their beliefs, but they could be anything.

[emmie]

so you are also happy if they lose their livelihood, strange thinking.

[NOX]

£10 to a penny they are Christian though Em, but I see your point it didn't actually state in the article anywhere that she was, but I'll bet my bottom dollar she is, never seen really deeply entrenched homophobia in England from anywhere but the deeply religious.

[jake-the-peg]

I considered it from the choice point of view the way that Ludwig did - interesting isn't it haow it's pretty unopposed that homosexuality is not a choice - wasn't always like that.

Then I thought about it from a different perspective

Support for the monarchy is a political perspective and she's enforcing that perspective on her customers.

If she'd ejected people because they were wearing Tory or Labour badges we'd probably think that was unacceptable - but then again probably cheer if she ejected BNP members

[sp1814]

em10

You're right - this is ANOTHER anti-gay B&B owner. The couple I was thinking o; were the ones taken to court about 18 months ago. I mistakenly assumed this was the same case.

[youngmafbog]

Just out of interest SP, if a gay couple (of whatever gender) set up a B&B for gay people only what would be your views on that? There are afterall gay people or are very definitley anti those who are not gay, extreme admitedly but then so are these B&B owners.

[youngmafbog]

Jake, to address your National anthem theme, my annoyance over it is that it is geared to the Monarch. I am very Nationalistic, I love my country but I have no time for the sponging royals and no time for God botherers, so I have no anthem.
Perhaps one way to move on from this is to adopt an anthem with no God and no Queen in it?

[ludwig]

It does make one wonder what these fierce anti-monarchists were doing in an obvious royalty themed shop in the first place, at 3 o'clock, when it says on the anthem is played and everyone is expected to stand.

I'm no huge royalist myself but I've no time for trouble making tw4ts like this either.

[China Doll]

Exactly my thoughts ludwig.